[dev1007] Voidwatch: Obtaining Spoils

[Quetzacoatl]

In the past, if something had a 1/8 drop rate and 18 people wanted it, you'd have an expected value of 8 x 18 = 144 kills to get everybody the drop. Roughly. With VW, it's still a 1/144 drop rate but it never gets better as other people get their items.

This. This. This. THIS.

Do you see this Square? do you SEE why your idiotic "Well, Theres 18 people, So we lowered the drop rate Significantly to balance it!" Logic is so Horrible?

I want SE To do Voidwatch for about 1 month, Non-stop, and i want them to tell us how they feel when they join Pick up group after Pick up group, going 0/400+ On the Item they want like almost HALF of us here have, and have that one guy in the party who goes "HUR HUR MY THIRD BODY LOL I CANT EVEN USE IT, AND IM 3/12 NOW!" If they're not foaming at the mouth and want to jump into the computer, Find that guy, and rip out his throat and feed it to his family, they're not human.

Thats the feeling i get every time i see someone get a second/third body, or go 1/4 or less on it. I can't be happy for some joe who's put in 30 minutes of work and tripping bodies while Im sitting on the breaking point and swearing to god if i Get another Mantis Eye I'm going to do things I'll end up in a Mental hospital for.

So, My breakdown asde, Allow us to Give other people our drops, Just do it. Are you people so afraid of someone actually GETTING their drop and moving on to the next of 20 VWNM's they obviously will need, and the 10 more to come, and Legion, that you can't introduce a system that actually makes the player feel good instead of leaving a dirty taste in their mouth?

Every time i do Kaggen or Pil and open the box to find a Mantis Eye, or a Chakram, I swear i taste Blood and Anger swelling in my throat. This last week I've done kaggen an additional 20 Times, I got 13 Fudging Mantis Eyes out of all of those runs. In all my Total Kaggen runs, about a third of them dropped Mantis Eyes. I'm up to my eyeballs in mantis eyes.

Most of us kinda hope the Upcoming Ticket System will not be as absolutely worthless and retarded as they've described to us, especially after all the uproar over how useless it will be.

I really do have to share Karbuncle's sentiments here. If for any reason I have to do Voidwatch, it's either:

A.) To obtain something that I need that I know I will never possess, but I do the runs anyway in spite of myself. I think a lot of players have this mindset, especially from those who have quit the game already...

B.) I have to make gil from scrolls that I get from said runs, or Heavy Metal Plates to trade for gil or dynamis currency, since 1,500 Heavy Metal Plates is very gil inefficient in comparison to building a certain Relic or Mythic weapon. The only reason at this point to upgrade your empyrean weapon is if you have nothing better to do.

For people doing Empyrean Weapon upgrades, SE really should consider having Heavy Metal Pouches for Kaggen, Pil and Akvan drops in place of single Heavy Metal Plates. The rest of the Jeuno Route 1 NM should drop single Heavy Metal Plates in the process. As I've noticed, there has been very little demand for Jeuno T3 VWNM. It'll be either for progression, Qilin runs, or Jeuno Route 2 T6 NMs. Maybe I just haven't been looking at shouts hard enough, but this is an observation I've made over the past few days on Leviathan.

[detlef]

You will be able to buy bodies very soon lol.

If it is as Camate said and you'll need 6 body tickets to get the body you want... Well that doesn't sound like it'll help.

[Quetzacoatl]

If it is as Camate said and you'll need 6 body tickets to get the body you want... Well that doesn't sound like it'll help.

Especially since people who have already gotten what they want from said NMs have moved on by now and won't touch the NM ever again.

[Fupafighter]

Wait, they want 6 body slips to obtain one body lol? Idk if your trollin, or if SE trollin. But yeah I just think you guys have to come to the conclusion that yes, while the gear is very rare, we would just have nothing better to do if we obtained it. The bottom line is, we need more content and Job traits/abilities, we don't need more 1% bonus to our parses from a damn toci harness lol.

[detlef]

These are the ticket posts made by Camate (search Dev Tracker to find them). The first indicates that they have a number of 5-6 tickets in mind to redeem for an item. He then clarifies that you need to have the item in your possession to get a ticket. So put it all together and if you want that Coruscanti or Mekira body, 5-6 people will have to get tickets for that item. And you'll have to get those tickets. Good luck!

Howdy!

I bring some news regarding the Voidwatch loot system, which I think you all will appreciate quite a bit.

The development team has been well aware of all of your frustrations when you friend hears you receive an item that they have been after for some time, but you are unable to pass it to them and have no choice but to toss it.

They have been looking into adjustments to the reward system extremely carefully to preserve the benefit of each person receiving a personal reward when participating, instead of having to lot against others. As a result, they are thinking about implementing the below type of system.

• In the event that a rare/ex item drops to you when you already possess the item, it will be possible to exchange that item for a ticket (name pending)
• Once you obtain a certain amount of these tickets, it will be possible to exchange them for their respective rare/ex item. (*edited at 3PM 2/2/2012)
  *There will be different types of tickets for different items and you will need to collect the respective ticket for the item you would like.
  *The required number of tickets is still being looked into and there is a possibility of change, but currently we estimate it to be about 5~6.
• Tickets will be tradable and sellable.

The development team feels that this will not destroy the meaning of having personal rewards, and though the drop rate balance will not be changed, even if you continue to have bad luck obtaining the item you wish, by collecting the tickets from your friends you will eventually be able to obtain the item.

Since there are a lot of rewards items, meaning a large amount of tickets to be created, we will start off by looking into implementing the hard to get items first. Please understand that it will take some time before this is all implemented.

Hey everyone.

I followed up with the development team to get an answer as to whether or not you need to already possess the rare/ex item to obtain a ticket. They said that you will in fact need to have the item in your possession and they are not planning to make it so you can give a ticket to someone else when you could obtain the actual item.

Also, to clarify the original post; each piece of gear will have their own ticket (and I've amended the original post for clarity). I've also seen questions about "will this apply to Heavy Metal Plates, too?" and the answer is no, this is currently planned for equipment pieces only.

[Fupafighter]

Ah thanks. But I get this cool feeling SE may make the HQ stuff be like 1 claim slip, "name pending". But yeah 5-6 sounds reasonable for stuff like aces mail and phasmida belt or athos body, as they are somewhat common.

[Karbuncle]

I'd say ~3-5 For Athos/Aces/Phasmida because yah, They're common. But the chances alone of someone with a body getting a second body are quite rare, Really should be 1-2 Tickets for the Ultra-Rare Stuff.

Still, It'd be a goal, Problem would be finding the supply of tickets, I can see getting 1-2, But finding 6 Tickets, Especially for a VW Body, Is going to be next to impossible. Especially considering you're likely not going to be the only buyer.

That and the Ticket system probably won't be released for a long time, because they decided it'd be really neat to introduce a different ticket for every single item instead of introducing just 1 ticket for each NM, so they have to introduce about 50-60 Tickets now.

I'm becoming upset again, thinking about how many ways they could introduce this ticket system that would be 100x better and still maintain a difficulty level... compared to how they're introducing it...

[Mahoro]

Judging by anecdotal evidence from complaints in this thread, watching teammates toss multiple bodies or drops they don't need is more common than you think. I don't think the tickets will be THAT rare, but I agree they will be expensive on the secondary market, and this is a problem that could be solved in better ways.

[detlef]

I included Camate's posts above because some people argue vehemently that the system isn't broken or that tickets will fix everything when it's apparent that they are ignorant of what the devs have shared with us. This isn't just some throw-away line, it's something they have thought of carefully before deciding that it's fit for our ears (eyes?).

What it sounds like is you need 6 Mekira tickets, which only load when someone who already has the body bothers to use voidstones on Kaggen. Also your Mekira ticket is not to be confused with a Coruscanti ticket or a Toci ticket. Yes it's possible to get tickets in a LS setting where people still do NMs that they already have drops from. You can also get people to use stones because HMP will offset voiddust cost. But that's a lot of tickets. Especially if each rare drop has its own ticket. Also, is the prospect of getting a ticket to sell enough to entice people to join pick-up groups? Maybe. If the price is 3-5m maybe people will bite. Then again, if the price is that high that means a VW body costs ~20m.

[Tinderil]

Once someone gets "the" item from a VW mob, it is highly unlikely they will ever want to go back to kill it for the chance of getting the same rare item again to sell as a ticket. If the drops were more common, maybe, although even so, unlikely. As it stands now, if you're 1/300, you're not going to be taking your chances again and spending another 300 voidstones for the chance to get another one of the same item. Broken logic on SE's thinking (not all *that* unusual), and they won't listen to the complaints (again, not all *that* unusual). And yet we're the ones paying them, we're their customers. Appalling business conduct.