Nyzul Isle Uncharted information and feedback

[Economizer]

Been seeing quite a few comments about how 25 times is too much. Keep in mind that the bosses on floors 20/40/60/80/100 will still drop items independently of the what you can obtain by clearing it the required amount of times. This system was basically designed to ensure that you can get the item of your choice, even if you are unlucky (bad lots included) when doing a run.

If I understand correctly we'll have this 25x a floor lower, 5x on the floor your spamming and just getting it from the floor in the first place. With all of these combined with the stopper I think there is no complaint we can have about obtaining the gear. It might not be easy for everyone but I definitely think it will be obtainable for everyone given enough time.

My only complaints now are that you can't do anything with lower tier gear once you have a higher tier of gear (a 1:1 trade for alexandrite or being able to get a small amount of Nyzul Tokens once you've acquired the higher tier would be nice, or at worst just being able to put it on a storage slip with your HQ gear), and that you guys didn't choose to upgrade the original Nyzul Isle gear (which is only really a complaint because they had unique stats like original Goliard Saio's 4% Haste in the body slot for mages).

Overall definitely doing good however, and my complaints are minor details at this point.

[SpankWustler]

I'm also curious if the 5 wins will stack with the 25 wins, or if it will be a choice between the two. I doubt it will matter much to know ahead of time, since the most days worth of effort that can be saved up is five, but I remain curious.

Idk maybe its just me but you seems to cry so much when something new is posted that I think that's impossible to cry harder. Then SE adjust it to make it easier and you somehow actually cry even harder. It really amazes me every single time. I think you listened "Cry Me a River" for too long.

Yo dawg, I heard you like complaining about complaining so I'm going to put some complaining about complaining about complaining in this topic made mostly out of complaining:

This post wasn't very productive. It only addresses that you have some weird personal issue with Krabnuckle complaining, rather than topics such as the validity of his complaints or if he's been listening to the Justin Timberlake or Julie London version of "Cry Me a River".

[FrankReynolds]

I'm also curious if the 5 wins will stack with the 25 wins, or if it will be a choice between the two. I doubt it will matter much to know ahead of time, since the most days worth of effort that can be saved up is five, but I remain curious.





This post wasn't very productive. It only addresses that you have some weird personal issue with Krabnuckle complaining, rather than topics such as the validity of his complaints or if he's been listening to the Justin Timberlake or Julie London version of "Cry Me a River".

Just for completions sake.

[Atoreis]

This post wasn't very productive.

Thats because I have already written "productive" part in my earlier posts.
I'm not really searching for any argument it was just annoying that on every other page in this tread I saw him complaining on pretty much everything. Maybe I was tired or something but it really looked like that.

On topic.
25kills for 6 best pieces in the game is pretty welcomed especially since SE initially wanted to make those pieces as rare as relics at 75. Saying they will be outdated in few weeks is pretty much lol... there are pieces of gear that are few years old and still win with 99 gear. Nyzul Isle gear (not all pieces and not for all jobs) will remain best for many uses because its no longer 75 vs 99 but 99 vs 99 equip. There is so many type of sets for many WS,TP,PDT,Evasion etc that you can make new gear that is still best for something and wont even compete with older gear because it will be used for different things. Like for example Thaumas Body is now best TP piece for many jobs. New salvage body for those jobs can be for example best body for WS (Not to mention many jobs from NI gear is grouped different on salvage gear like BLU is with light DD on Thaumas and with mages on Morrigan ).
Im not exactly sure why ppl that are not top tier players assume that they should get top tier equip doing some easy stuff (im talking about ppl complaining about 25x 80 boss iss too much). You should be happy that SE gives you chance to even get those items in easier way because stopper itself is enough for best players to get 100 floors items and it would be perfectly fine if SE would stop with only adding this. Best players will have all sets in a 1-3 months not 8 or 9 because they will target floor 100.
Casuals that talk about getting all 3 sets in some low amount of time just make me thinks if we play the same game? I know what you think that I sound like some mofo elitist but its not the case here. Its not a type of event that let selected individuals that have no life to get best item in the game. Only thing you need here is to play really good and sooner or later you will get everything. Everyone can do it if they are good enough (dont tell me you need cheats. Jem's group did NeoNyzul without any cheats at all and they cleared 16 and 19 floors and the other group who killed 100 floor boss cleared 15 floors so its perfectly possible to get to 100 without any 3rd party tools).
If you are good you will be able to get those items from floor 100 faster if you are not you will be able to get those items from killing boss80. Considering You will probably be able to get to floor 100 at avg rate of 5-10%(which is 10-20 runs) it would be stupid to make it faster to get 100floor items from killing boss 80 than from killing boss 100. Ppl need to understand that getting 100floor equip by killing 80floor boss is only a backup not a main way to get it.

[Crysten]

Everyone can do it if they are good enough (dont tell me you need cheats. Jem's group did NeoNyzul without any cheats at all and they cleared 16 and 19 floors and the other group who killed 100 floor boss cleared 15 floors so its perfectly possible to get to 100 without any 3rd party tools).

Uh, last I read of that thread Jem's group were regularly using FillMode/DAT mods to gain an advantage and Coder's group had a person using clipper. Argue the semantics all you want but at the moment, you still need some kind of exploit to reach 100 with any kind of consistancy.

I don't wish to downplay their achievements too much but don't overexaggerate the facts. You seem to be confusing luck and skill a lot here. 16 floor clears is great until you realize the RNG was screwing them.

I welcome the changes to the system at the moment though - we finally have what we were asking for all along - progression. The stopper is the icing on the cake and yes, totally allows those going above and beyond to feasibly get these items.

I do wish the luck factor was downplayed more, but I'll take this as a fair compromize. I can see most groups of well geared players farming 80 quite easily now.

[Atoreis]

Uh, last I read of that thread Jem's group were regularly using FillMode/DAT mods to gain an advantage and Coder's group had a person using clipper. Argue the semantics all you want but at the moment, you still need some kind of exploit to reach 100 with any kind of consistancy.

I don't wish to downplay their achievements too much but don't overexaggerate the facts. You seem to be confusing luck and skill a lot here. 16 floor clears is great until you realize the RNG was screwing them.

I welcome the changes to the system at the moment though - we finally have what we were asking for all along - progression. The stopper is the icing on the cake and yes, totally allows those going above and beyond to feasibly get these items.

I do wish the luck factor was downplayed more, but I'll take this as a fair compromize. I can see most groups of well geared players farming 80 quite easily now.

I think you need to learn to read. Jem's group intentionally went w/o any form of cheats to check how far they can go and they made 2 runs like that 16 and 19 floors.

Coder group made to 100 with 15 cleared floors so yes with a little luck Jem's group could easily made to 100.

The luck is involved obviously but you must be blind to not see that more cleared floor = less luck needed which means skill is very important.

Luck in this game was almost always involved to get the item and here its just implemented in random floors instead of low drop rate on the end. Its gonna be further improved with 100% "drop" for each person if you beat 100 floor boss and luck needed will be decreased a little with stopper. If you cant accept that because you still wont be able to do this it doesnt mean SE failed but it means you just cant play good enough to beat it.

[Elexia]

Of course people who post on BG cheats, isn't that the same forum with the circle jerk of Salvage exploiters who got pissed "noobs" found out about it and causing them to get banned for it?

As long as luck remains a factor, even 3 clears is too much, but whatever, I still would have preferred floors 101-200 to regular Nyzul.

[Karbuncle]

Of course people who post on BG cheats, isn't that the same forum with the circle jerk of Salvage exploiters who got pissed "noobs" found out about it and causing them to get banned for it?

I'm sorry, Thats not even remotely close. Your view on the website is about as i'll-informed as all the "I don't go there because i once heard bad things about it" types who never visit there but act like they know everything that happens there and assumes everyone there are some anarchist elitists who laugh and everyone and make/buy their own bots.

Am i correct in this assumption?

Theres more people in BG who laugh at the salvage bans than most other places. You wouldn't know that though, As i imagine you haven't even seen the website, let alone have any idea that the community as BG is made up of as many diverse groups as any other FFXI Website.

I post on BG, I don't even use Windower, I don't enjoy cheats or people who cheat, But I live and let live when it comes to that. And i giggle loudly at the Salvage Bans, and never participated in the abuse. Oh, Did I break your stereotype?

Not everyone on BG Cheats, Nor did everyone on BG Salvage-Dup. Please, If you're going to try and bash something, at least educate yourself enough on the subjection to have any idea what you're talking about. Otherwise you just make yourself look silly.

In fact, Many people who here, Post on BG as well. Many of the people who are adamantly against the use of Movementtools in Nyzul, are members of BG. Atoreis is a BG member as well, Maybe a recent one but one non-the-less.

Don't always believe what you hear. Rumors are generally started by the butthurt. Humans are petty creatures who will do anything to try and trash the name of something they don't understand or agree with. Anything negative you heard about BG was likely from an Era in its history where people like Thorny were running around furiously getting off to being a dick to people. Thats not really the case anymore.

[Atoreis]

Of course people who post on BG cheats, isn't that the same forum with the circle jerk of Salvage exploiters who got pissed "noobs" found out about it and causing them to get banned for it?

As long as luck remains a factor, even 3 clears is too much, but whatever, I still would have preferred floors 101-200 to regular Nyzul.

Yeah because if some jerk post on some forum then that whole forum is bad...
I cant really understand casual players. If SE would give up on RNG floors they would need to put the luck somewhere else which would be drop rate. Nothing would really changed in the end except being better at runs wouldnt downgrade impact of luck at all because it will be the same drop rate no matter how fast you do the floors. With luck involved in ??? floors you actually make your chances higher if you improve you skill. If they would completely give up on idea of luck then level of difficulty would need to be hardcore which means even bigger bonus for cheaters and even bigger inaccessibility of those items for casuals players.
When you complain you should actually try to post better idea of how you would do it because how they worked out this problem is imo best option they had to choose.

[Fupafighter]

Since when have the good things been easy to get? Damn just be happy that you don't have to proc the damn bosses to get drops and you get tags daily and don't have to do stupid time sink stuff to get the tags. And not the "best players" will only make it to 100... your mistaken. Any decent player with a empy should be able to perform well.