Nyzul Isle Uncharted information and feedback

[Mirabelle]

So you need to defeat the 20 boss a total of 25 times for level 40 gear, the 40 boss 25 times for level 60 gear...

People already have the math worked out that they'll have a full set(I'm assuming HQ) in just over 4 months barring failure, but that would require clearing floor 80 a total of 125 times without fail. Ok, sure.

On the other hand, people who are able to clear floor 100 would have a full set inside a week? Two days if they started with tags in reserve?

It seems like a bit of a gap to me.
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Maybe it's just me but this seems a bit, hmm... whats the word? Balanced? I can't wait for Salvage. Could someone tell me how to turn off this sarcasm font?

Only the best players are going to defeat the floor 100 boss on any sort of routine basis. I'm not sure anyone has yet and the event has been out for a month. The stopper will make that more feasible, but I doubt anyone is going to get HQ in a week without some major hacks or luck.

Most groups will be shooting for floor 60 and hoping to get some floor 80 gear and if they get good at the event start shooting for 80 gear.

Of course I'm still not sure people will go to this event in droves. Still seems a more hardcore event since there is no way for an average group with good Abyssea gear to get gear that is much better than what they have. And the hardcore element doesn't make up the majority of players.

[Babygyrl]

i dont think 25 is bad at all, 25 kills and your guaranteed an item? some people go 0/100 trying to get items they want.. id take that.

[Agerknux]

I don't quite get it. It is like people are in the current mindset that the only way to get these armors is through doing the floors things 20 times to get armor. With the stopper, you can still reach the floor you intended and actually have a chance at the armor you are after. Not sure if I am pulling this out of no where, but didn't the devs also mentioned something about reducing the time to receive tags?

The armor looks good, it SHOULD take time to get. I'm not saying it should be months to get or pure luck like vw, but what this update does is give an alternative.

[Kenthedeviant]

i dont think 25 is bad at all, 25 kills and your guaranteed an item? some people go 0/100 trying to get items they want.. id take that.

If you're referring to voidwatch, YES, VW droprate can be TERRIBLE and redefines "random" and frustration. HOWEVER, keep in mind that VW can be spammed 100x or more in a SINGLE DAY by anyone with stones/gil/CP/ETC. And even if you fail in VW, only the popper loses anything. As for nyzul, we only get one tag per day, and if you fail, it's a total loss... And with the extreme random and luck-based nature of this event, fails can still happen often for VERY skilled players.

[Kysaiana]

Ever since the end of Abyssea, SE has made it abundantly clear they don't want people to obtain items without a ton of luck and/or time involved. 1500 heavy metal plates, 60 riftdross/riftcinder, 5 ADL, 100 devious dice, .001% drop rates in VW, you name it. I don't know why people are surprised or angry at 25 wins for a guaranteed item. Yeah, it's a lot. Yeah, it will take a long, long time thanks to only accruing 7 tags a week. But honestly, how many people want all 15 items? If you do, more power too you, and your inventory is a lot less cramped than mine is.

The original Nyzul isle was tedious enough without the random floor progression that I doubt I'll bother with this event at all. Even though a few of the pieces are pretty nice. I get that time sinks are a necessary part of any MMO, but it seems lately that the stick is so long you can't even see the carrot at the end anymore to bother chasing it.

So yeah, 25 wins sucks, etc. Complain about it if it makes you feel better, but sadly I doubt it will be changed just as other events haven't.

[Scribble]

Only the best players are going to defeat the floor 100 boss on any sort of routine basis. I'm not sure anyone has yet and the event has been out for a month. The stopper will make that more feasible, but I doubt anyone is going to get HQ in a week without some major hacks or luck.

My point is that it's also doubtful that people will be clearing 80 100% of the time. 125 days for a set, if that is your goal, is reasonable but it's not something that will be happening for most people. I wasn't really trying to say that beating floor 100 everyday is reasonable either, but looking at some of the posts since Camate posted gives the impression that this is exactly what people are planning on.

That said, Floor 80(in all honesty) is a pretty high goal for a lot of people. Lets just assume that an amazing streak of luck and great execution will put you in a set of gear in 150 days. That's 5 straight months of grind. Now consider that you only need 5 wins at floor 100 to achieve the same goal. The floor 80 route assumes just over 80% success rate. To match that on floor 100 you only need a 3% success rate...

See what I'm saying? To achieve the same goal you either need 5/6 attempts at floor 80 or 1/30 attempts at floor 100. It just seems to me that if you take a group competent enough to clear 80 with that kind of frequency, it isn't a stretch to think that dumb luck would work out for them more than once a month on floor 100...

/shrug

[Creelo]

I love how people are like "Oh, 25 boss wins for 1 piece of armor, that's not bad all compared to VW drop rates!"

Except for the fact (as was stated before) that VW isn't nearly as restricted when it comes to NI in how many times you can do it in a day. Not to mention you can't compared one VW fight to just one NI boss win. That's 2-5 minutes per fight versus a ~30min NI run, a silly comparison.

In any case, do you guys really, truly want to have to get 25 successful boss kills for just one piece of armor of a higher tier? That's nearly a month (if you were to keep up with your tags) straight of NI for just one piece of armor that you're after.

10 Boss Kills does seem low; however, I feel like 15 Boss kills would be the perfect number for this. 15 Boss kills is enough of a timesink for just 1 piece of gear you're after.

Just because they started off with the idea of 25 Boss kills for 1 piece of armor doesn't mean we have have to be content with that. I can assure you once you are 11/25 on kills, you are going to start resenting the 25 Kills needed for just that one piece of gear you'll be receiving.

[Agerknux]

I love how people are like "Oh, 25 boss wins for 1 piece of armor, that's not bad all compared to VW drop rates!"

Except for the fact (as was stated before) that VW isn't nearly as restricted when it comes to NI in how many times you can do it in a day. Not to mention you can't compared one VW fight to just one NI boss win. That's 2-5 minutes per fight versus a ~30min NI run, a silly comparison.

In any case, do you guys really, truly want to have to get 25 successful boss kills for just one piece of armor of a higher tier? That's nearly a month (if you were to keep up with your tags) straight of NI for just one piece of armor that you're after.

10 Boss Kills does seem low; however, I feel like 15 Boss kills would be the perfect number for this. 15 Boss kills is enough of a timesink for just 1 piece of gear you're after.

Just because they started off with the idea of 25 Boss kills for 1 piece of armor doesn't mean we have have to be content with that. I can assure you once you are 11/25 on kills, you are going to start resenting the 25 Kills needed for just that one piece of gear you'll be receiving.

I think the people arguing against it have different goals in mind. To me 25 kills for a free piece of armor just a side reward, I'm not going to aim for 25 kills to get the armor I want.

[FrankReynolds]

Yeah cool and what? you shouted for those ppl and what? You had 8% chance to get your item. One item per 12 runs. 180 runs to get 3 sets.

Ermmmm where are you getting these numbers? I haven't heard of any of the items from old NI being lower than %10, which means that getting all three old sets takes as long as getting 1 new set. There are very good odds that there will be better gear out before anyone completes all three sets.

EDIT: and your tripping if you think that this gear is going to be this good for very long. We still have legion new VW paths and salvage stuff coming. Who knows what else.

[Atoreis]

Ermmmm where are you getting these numbers? I haven't heard of any of the items from old NI being lower than %10, which means that getting all three old sets takes as long as getting 1 new set. There are very good odds that there will be better gear out before anyone completes all three sets.

EDIT: and your tripping if you think that this gear is going to be this good for very long. We still have legion new VW paths and salvage stuff coming. Who knows what else.

I assumed 50% drop rate.
16.6% chance it will be set you want
8.3% chance that you will win the lot assuming its 2 ppl in party for each armor.

Does it really matter? Old NI gear even if easier to get was mostly pretty useless. You should compare them to +2 or +3 items from New Nyzul in which case +2 and +3 are much easier to obtain.