New WHM spell, Araise. It will be extremely difficult to obtain.

[Unleashhell]

Maybe it will be a top tier Legion drop. If their are tiers like Einherjar had. I haven't gotten the chance to get on the test server yet and try it out.

[Seriha]

I am really sick of the ridiculous attitude that gets perpetuated that equates wanting a challenge to being some elitist prick that wants to just lord over all the peons that cant hack it in 'hardcore' world.

Conversely, I'm sick of people who want to be rewarded for their time being accused of asking for handouts or the age old strawman of wanting free whatever sent straight to their dbox. Believe it or not, I have seen people ask for niche abilities that only the owner of such and such should have. Of recent memory, BSTs wanting some Gutler-specific jug pet springs to mind.

More to the original point, what one person finds challenging might be a total cakewalk to another. By default, in-game situations can favor a given job over another, which complicates matters for the fans of jobs enduring a period of lesser status. Even within a job, the quality of gear between players will also vary. Enter age old argument of there being pimped out n00bs while some average geared joe who knows the job kicks their butt. But eventually there's always a point where skill can't outshine the benefits of better gear.

SE's never really entertained a good means to address this gap. Other MMOs have tried giving events tiers of difficulty where the harder stuff is more rewarding, but in SE land, difficulty tends to hinge on either poor drop rates or poorly designed mobs that can just flip a switch and ruin your day if they want to. Skilled players may be better able to handle the latter and even recover, but when both get paired up, nobody really wins.

Overall, I'm of the camp that spells shouldn't be rare. The obvious reason why is that melees don't face this restriction and are still serviceable even without the prestige weapons. If SE wants to get fancy with what magic does to further differentiate the mages, that's when you start giving them gear that augments the spell. For the moment, we know Araise will revive a KOed player, give them a 3 minute weakness timer, and grant them Reraise. If they wanted to really emphasize good WHMs, then there could be some gear that cuts the weakness timer to 2 minutes, puts them up with full weakened HP/MP, and maybe gives them a 500 or so Stoneskin and temporary Scherzo to let them get to safety to further recover. And who knows, maybe if someone gets sick of playing WHM, they could sell off that piece of gear. Hell if it can happen with a scroll.

[Falseliberty]

Idk but a few posts back I thought we was talking about pony porn.... ; ; I want more pony porn

[Yinnyth]

Overall, I'm of the camp that spells shouldn't be rare. The obvious reason why is that melees don't face this restriction and are still serviceable even without the prestige weapons.

I am personally of the opinion that this should be changed. I want scrolls for JAs just like dice for COR rolls. Granted, there's the cap on JA cooldowns right now, but once they fix that, I would really like to see JAs and WSs as drops off bosses.

I also feel compelled to mention-- as a player who sticks to mostly mage jobs-- I don't mind rare spells. If they want to give SMNs Bahamut, but make it as hard to obtain as a relic weapon, so be it. If they want to give SCHs Ultima, but it costs 5,000 alexandrite to get the scroll, so be it (though they really need to add more sources of alex in general). I'm all for having difficult goals for every character type as long as there's adequate return on investment, not anymore of this claustrum BS.

[Ravenmore]

Deserving a reward of some kind is fine. But again, not everyone is out for themselves. Some do like to just help others and ask nothing in return. There is nothing naive about it. My LS is full of people just like me to like to help others and that's what we do. We even help people outside our LS. There are countless times we have seen a group wipe to NMs in Abyssea. Rather then let it depop we claim it, raise them all if needed then kill the NM for them and give them ALL DROPs and asked for NOTHING in return. Some of us are like that ya know.

No you are expecting something in return from that group you help that is if you mess up, random xbox mass DC what not, they don't gank your pop. Even if thats not your direct thinking its in the back of your mind cause if they do that will be the first thing you call them out on. Really come back when you are killing your 50th ADL and tell me how many of those kind souls are still going.

[Zaps]

inb4 they add arise to mjollnir99

aka. We gave you arise on your mjollnir because you were too busy DDing to cure anyone.

[Divinius]

If they want to make something that is "extremely difficult to obtain" then so be it. I don't like the general direction FFXI is taking either, but I can tell you this:

If it turns out to be an EX scroll, then "extremely difficult to obtain" damn well better not just mean "extremely low probably to drop from something". Because so help me god, if they implement this in such a way that it is nothing but dumb luck and "winning the lottery" strategy to obtain, I'm not going to be happy.

Seeing some assclown's gimptastic abyssea-leeched WHM mule get a scroll by dumb chance, while someone like me who's been playing WHM as their main job since NA lauch ends up going 0/6000 on it, is going to make me rage harder than I ever have before.

[Malamasala]

Actually to let people get it through the moogle lottery seems like a brilliant "extremely hard" method.

[Runespider]

If they want to make something that is "extremely difficult to obtain" then so be it. I don't like the general direction FFXI is taking either, but I can tell you this:

If it turns out to be an EX scroll, then "extremely difficult to obtain" damn well better not just mean "extremely low probably to drop from something". Because so help me god, if they implement this in such a way that it is nothing but dumb luck and "winning the lottery" strategy to obtain, I'm not going to be happy.

Seeing some assclown's gimptastic abyssea-leeched WHM mule get a scroll by dumb chance, while someone like me who's been playing WHM as their main job since NA lauch ends up going 0/6000 on it, is going to make me rage harder than I ever have before.

Voidwatch and career paladins trying to get the -dt body from kaggen says hi, this is exactly what happend there. Was always seening gimpy wars full timing that body, or peoples mules walking around with it while main tank players could not get it or went months and months of spamming to finally obtain it.

Would be really nice if they just told us what they have planned, we all know they plan this stuff way way in advance so they know what hoops they are going to make us jump through already. Far better to tell us now and maybe evaluate th eplayers reaction at a point when they can possibly make some changes than wait till the last minute.

inb4 "if we make the spell easier to obtain we will have to nerf the spell for balance issues!"

I suppose really the problem they are seeing is they don't want to keep giving us better and better gear because that can only go so far, so instead of actaully giving it to us they give the illusion of giving us better stuff...without actually letting us get it. Floor 100 nyzul gear is a perfect example.

[Unleashhell]

No you are expecting something in return from that group you help that is if you mess up, random xbox mass DC what not, they don't gank your pop. Even if thats not your direct thinking its in the back of your mind cause if they do that will be the first thing you call them out on. Really come back when you are killing your 50th ADL and tell me how many of those kind souls are still going.

Glad to see you think know how I think. Sorry but you don't. I never expected anything from any random group that wiped in Abyssea. Gotta love when people that dissagree with others thinks their view is the only correct view in the world. I know how my LS is and how good the members are in it. They aren't greedy and out for themselves but yo uthink however you like. I'll keep you updated when we start doing our ADLs.