New WHM spell, Araise. It will be extremely difficult to obtain.

[Alhanelem]

WHM has extraordinarily few, barring Mythics.

Obtaining the abilities of your job shouldn't be a timesink, only aquiring equipment, materials, resources. Nobody want's "mythic spells." or anything other than a mythic that takes as long as one.

Your sentence contains a logical fallacy. "Most of all players" would have no need to finish the trial if they are not "players who already finished previous trials."

That's not a logical fallacy. The group of players who has already completed previous trials are the group of players who have sufficient dedication to keep clearing additional, harder trials. That's what they're saying. In other words, they're implying that people who haven't already upgraded their items to their fullest before these trials were added are not as likely to finish the whole thing, which is, in all probability, true.

And what you said, that "most of all players would have no need to finish the trial," is not necessarily a true statement. Many people are out there who want to do an empyrean weapon and have not done those trials yet. SE is referring to two sets of people here: Set {A}, the set of all people who are interested in and working on an empyrean weapon, and Set {B}, the subset of set {A}who already have completed the level 90 weapon trial. People in set B, having already completed all trials up to this point, are far more likely to have the people and resources at their disposal to complete the first 99 trial, than people who have not already gone through the hardest trials that existed before.

[Mahoro]

Obtaining the abilities of your job shouldn't be a timesink, only aquiring equipment, materials, resources. Nobody want's "mythic spells." or anything other than a mythic that takes as long as one.

Kay. We're down to opinion here. Agree to disagree.

That's not a logical fallacy. The group of players who has already completed previous trials are the group of players who have sufficient dedication to keep clearing additional, harder trials. That's what they're saying. In other words, they're implying that people who haven't already upgraded their items to their fullest before these trials were added are not as likely to finish the whole thing, which is, in all probability, true.

And what you said, that "most of all players would have no need to finish the trial," is not necessarily a true statement. Many people are out there who want to do an empyrean weapon and have not done those trials yet. SE is referring to two sets of people here: Set {A}, the set of all people who are interested in and working on an empyrean weapon, and Set {B}, the subset of set {A}who already have completed the level 90 weapon trial. People in set B, having already completed all trials up to this point, are far more likely to have the people and resources at their disposal to complete the first 99 trial, than people who have not already gone through the hardest trials that existed before.

Their quote didn't address Set [A] though....you were the one who introduced Set [A] into the mix. That's why I made the post I did. I agree with the first half of your first paragraph here, but not the statement about what they are implying.

[Alhanelem]

Their quote didn't address Set [A] though....you were the one who introduced Set [A] into the mix. That's why I made the post I did. I agree with the first half of your first paragraph here, but not the statement about what they are implying.

Like you said, agree to disagree. The implications they made are very clear to me, but it's perfectly OK if you don't see them.

Kay. We're down to opinion here. Agree to disagree.

I agree it's an opinion. Very likely,a popularly held opinion. I don't know anyone that explicitly wants nearly-impossible-to-get spells and abilities, and nobody seems to be posting to ask for it.

[saevel]

The only people who want Mythic / Relic "Spells" are those who already have those Relics / Mythics and want to feel special and above the common peasants who don't have those items. Otherwise said spell just becomes another wasted game mechanic.

[Sparthos]

Lack of incentive or lack or friends? Big difference. Get friends or more LS members. People are acting like they are impossible to get. Sorry they arent.

Make relics soloable then follow up the trials with solo/lowman activities, kill big LS w/Abyssea and then turn around and demand 12-18 people repeat ADL for one person multiple days to finish a 99. Brilliant SE logic here.

Make friends? More like use your friends.

If Tanaka and company sat down and played the game maybe they'd realize that the likelihood of finishing a 99 outside those with longtime connections is near zero. Shout this? Lol, no one is that dumb to help you when there is no reward for doing so. This game works on rewards and either you put them up or no one gives a shit about the content.

Some people will/already finished lvl99 relics but the reality is when they claimed "most people who completed up to lvl95 would likely finish this trial" - they were talking out their asses. Everything up to 95 is completely different from the throwback content ADL wants to be.

[Runespider]

The main problem is that they don't know their playerbase anymore (we have changed so much since Abyssea), their estimations of the number of relic (& emp) holders that will obtain 99 is nonsense, the number that will get their prized weapons to 99 will be vastly, vastly less than 51%. I would be suprised if more than 5% get them done honestly (in old FF? the numbers would of been correct, we had shells etc, now? no way). There is a small chance they will re-evalutate it once they see just how few manage to upgrade but I won't hold my breath.

They just really don't know their playerbase, they will be as wrong on this as they were when they thought the playerbase were going to be all crowded around the entrace to do neo nyzul, every post they made about it was worrying about congestion issues. It's quite worrying how wrong they are with these things, they need to actually start doing som research on their playerbase.

[Camiie]

Tohihroyu, I get that you're frustrated and you can tell by my posts I am as well. I think much of the JP player base is as upset at the devs as we are. I think they're a lot more like us than we might think. There are hardcore people who are all for the current sadistic/masochistic direction the game is taking, and there are others who are more laid back and just want to log in and get things done Abyssea style. Some who are addicted to the gamble of the R.N.G. and some who like gradual progress. Some who are all about exclusionary status symbols and others who just want to hang with friends in an FF-style setting.

Please don't think I'm trying to pick a fight with you or that I'm some hardcore Japanophile. I just don't think it's a good idea to lump all of them together as being on one side or another. There's some out there who want the same things you want or I want. Due to the language barrier I'm not sure we can all band together for the same cause, but we can keep sending our messages separately and respectfully and know that someone out there across the ocean is on our side. It may not do a bit of good, but at least we can say we tried and at least we won't be written off simply for the tone of our posts.

[Unleashhell]

Make relics soloable then follow up the trials with solo/lowman activities, kill big LS w/Abyssea and then turn around and demand 12-18 people repeat ADL for one person multiple days to finish a 99. Brilliant SE logic here.

Make friends? More like use your friends.

If Tanaka and company sat down and played the game maybe they'd realize that the likelihood of finishing a 99 outside those with longtime connections is near zero. Shout this? Lol, no one is that dumb to help you when there is no reward for doing so. This game works on rewards and either you put them up or no one gives a shit about the content.

Some people will/already finished lvl99 relics but the reality is when they claimed "most people who completed up to lvl95 would likely finish this trial" - they were talking out their asses. Everything up to 95 is completely different from the throwback content ADL wants to be.

How is that using your friends? You do realize this is an MMO right? Its meant to do things as a group. Not everyone is out for themselves, and those who are are most likely in the Imyandme LS. So I'm not sure I follow how you think its using your friends. When you go to Abyssea and your friend comes BLM to proc yellow just so you can finish seals, is that using your friends also to your benefit? Not sure what kind of LS you are all in but we do things to help one another in my LS. Not to mention is is a fairly large LS as is. Those who are new that decide to be I My and Me don't last very long in it and get flushed out fairly quickly. Sounds to me most of you just have a bad taste in your mouths about large LS's. Its a shame cause I love running a large LS and like to see everyone get things. Things are fair and divided out equally. Not to mention we HELP each other even when there is no immediate benefit from it.

[Tohihroyu]

So much anger... I thought you brony where supposed to "Love & tolerate" you may think I'm angry but I'm not, all I see is a disgruntled little brony whose mad because a mithra named Fluttershy wont give him some sexy time, you seclectively read my posts & I will do the same with you, all I see in your posts is "I wanna get laid by a yellow Pegasus pony so badly LOVE ME!!!!!!!" and because I'm nice how about you go join up one of the 2 My Little Pony MMO? I'm sure the Fluttershy there would wanna let you "ur gunna love me!!!" all you want while you stare at some pony ass.

Well you pony loving Tanaka brown nosing losers can rejoice & circle jerk all over BG cause I quit the forums, its full of nothing but Q_Q or brown nosing Tanaka-san. I know Quezty will send me more photoshop tells (along with angry brony) & just pick out the words "jp" "japan" "tanaka" & "onry" come to think of it he was the only one who had his fluttershy panties in a knot over it, while others besides Rune didn't give a damn. Oh & by the way Quetz I have nothing against the Japanese...just the people who suck up to them & the weeaboos who worship them like gods...funny something most of you do hoping to get new expansions! no better then the weeaboos...sad really.

Smell you later.

[Ravenmore]

How is that using your friends? You do realize this is an MMO right? Its meant to do things as a group. Not everyone is out for themselves, and those who are are most likely in the Imyandme LS. So I'm not sure I follow how you think its using your friends. When you go to Abyssea and your friend comes BLM to proc yellow just so you can finish seals, is that using your friends also to your benefit? Not sure what kind of LS you are all in but we do things to help one another in my LS. Not to mention is is a fairly large LS as is. Those who are new that decide to be I My and Me don't last very long in it and get flushed out fairly quickly. Sounds to me most of you just have a bad taste in your mouths about large LS's. Its a shame cause I love running a large LS and like to see everyone get things. Things are fair and divided out equally. Not to mention we HELP each other even when there is no immediate benefit from it.

Yeah have fun getting every one something doing ADL sure they will be happy to spilt up a few coins and crap drops while one or 2 people get the good stuff. That is the problem with ADL only the relic items are worth a crap to go after. Also they are not helping those people with out benfit they are trading on you repaying them at some point.