Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Nepharite]

I meant again

Its extremely easy to exp outside of abyssea, I'm not sure where your going with this.

It sounds like you want abyssea type exp outside of abyssea because you don't want to abyssea burn your jobs?

I'm at a loss here...

[Nepharite]

I'm still waiting to hear where these supernewbs are coming from that are leeching left and right but have no idea where to go online to get info or ask for advice on their jobs.

I'm a "supernewb"

Now in some people's defense about people not looking up job info. I have ran into a small number of people who play on console and don't have access to a pc. The majority of those players didn't know much about their jobs or how to gear. (this was pre abyssea)

Although they were usually glad to take any advice they could get.

[Pharaun]

Simply because you choose to ignore every legitimate argument against Abyssea doesn't mean that there are no legit reasons. I could just as easily say I have yet to hear legitimate for Abyssea burning but I'd be lying.

I've heard and considered many arguments for and against Abyssea and both sides raise valid points, but I believe this suggestion is the best compromise short of making Abyssea 75+

Your argument that it takes a considerable amount of time in party environment to really learn a job is terrible and has already been addressed, but I'll address it yet again.

You said that you started playing in 06 and it took you until you were about level 45 to really start to learn how to play your job. I'm going to take a guess and say it took you about 2 months to get your job to 45 which is probably being generous if you figure in time to level subs and time spent farming.

For someone starting from scratch it should probably take them at most a month to get to 90 once they can start leeching in abyssea. This is probably being generous going the other way since we know that people have done it in less than a week, but we'll let this scenario favor you. Sometime during all this leeching they should have made a few friends, joined an LS, and learned about the various resources for the learning the mechanics of this game, wiki, BG, Alla...

After getting to 90 they would spend let's say a week capping the relevant combat and magic skills, again being generous to you since it shouldn't take more than a couple of days. Now that they have their skills capped, or at least raised to an acceptable level they then spend time browsing the wiki and other websites to learn what gear they need and what sets they should be working towards. After this they can spend the next 2 weeks farming seals and getting atmas and have reasonable TP and WS sets.

So it's been the same 2 month time frame but you're still at level 45 while the person in this scenario now has a level 90 job and still has learned just as much about the game as you did. Abyssea is also much more forgiving for a new player as long as they are with a some what competent group. They are much less likely to cause a wipe than in old content and thus can actually spend more time playing the game instead of being put on the sidelines.

Of course this is assuming that the person playing actually wants to learn about the game and the various jobs. There is no good reason for a person to spend 2-4 months slogging through the levels the old way just to "learn their job".

[Vivik]

Its extremely easy to exp outside of abyssea,

Not as easy as it would be to leech from level 1.

[Lyall]

Not as easy as it would be to leech from level 1.

Give or take two afternoons, there isn't much difference. Those who want to, will.

[Bahamut_Norm]

I've yet to see an argument for raising the requirement that hasn't been completely and totally ripped apart.
I've yet to see an argument for leaving it the way it is that has been even dented.

Okay.
How about the massive gap in effort/reward ratio versus all other sources of experience points?

[Kuishen]

Okay.
How about the massive gap in effort/reward ratio versus all other sources of experience points?

You're right, the other sources of exp have a shitty effort/reward ratio.

[Nepharite]

Okay.
How about the massive gap in effort/reward ratio versus all other sources of experience points?

Have you ever done keying? its totally worth gaining all that exp.

[Eeek]

You're right, the other sources of exp have a shitty effort/reward ratio.

Even though FoV exp is definitely slow in comparison to Abyssea exp, I love FoV for one big reason: I can start, stop, and go AFK whenever I damn well please. The pace is relaxing and it doesn't require my attention at all times.

Of course, this is only relevant for lowbie jobs. I couldn't imagine trying to FoV jobs ablove Level 75. Then again, there are better solo-friend alternatives at that level anyways.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

I see people making comments like "leveling past 75" and the like, in reference to the old way of leveling, but that is the thing, you would not be doing that even if things changed, Abyssea was made for leveling past 75, the problem is, that is what it should have been for, and there for the cap of 70/75 should have been made.

level 1-75 like you used to (although with higher EXP then right now), then start leveling 76-99 in Abyssea, this is what I would like to see. This way the leveling spread would be evened out across the world.

Why would this be so bad? Yes you would not be able to level from 30-90 in a day or two.... but hell you should never be able to do that in an MMORPG anyway. Doing it in the way I described (as long as SE makes the EXP reward outside Abyssea higher all round then it is now) it would only take you roughly a month to level a job from 1-99. Now really in an MMORPG aspect, is that really a long time?