Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Dauntless]

I have yet to hear a legitimate reason as to why abyssea burning is bad.
Pretty much every bad thing being said would be the same if you couldn't enter abyssea till 75.

Simply because you choose to ignore every legitimate argument against Abyssea doesn't mean that there are no legit reasons. I could just as easily say I have yet to hear legitimate for Abyssea burning but I'd be lying.

I've heard and considered many arguments for and against Abyssea and both sides raise valid points, but I believe this suggestion is the best compromise short of making Abyssea 75+

[Nepharite]

Simply because you choose to ignore every legitimate argument against Abyssea doesn't mean that there are no legit reasons. I could just as easily say I have yet to hear legitimate for Abyssea burning but I'd be lying.

I've heard and considered many arguments for and against Abyssea and both sides raise valid points, but I believe this suggestion is the best compromise short of making Abyssea 75+

Give me one of your legit reasons, so we can discuss it.

[Lyall]

Simply because you choose to ignore every legitimate argument against Abyssea doesn't mean that there are no legit reasons. I could just as easily say I have yet to hear legitimate for Abyssea burning but I'd be lying.

I've heard and considered many arguments for and against Abyssea and both sides raise valid points, but I believe this suggestion is the best compromise short of making Abyssea 75+

The argument against is that it is too easy and that people don't know their skills. I assure you, sir, that even people who level in legit parties don't always know their skills. It is a slippery slope, and every individual brings something else to the table. This entire thread is basically people opposing experience being easier.

I would muse if half of the detractors existed when ToAU came out (which I am fairly sure they did not) they'd also complain about colibri parties. They also probably opposed level sync.

Complainers will always complain.

[HFX7686]

Simply because you choose to ignore every legitimate argument against Abyssea doesn't mean that there are no legit reasons. I could just as easily say I have yet to hear legitimate for Abyssea burning but I'd be lying.

I've heard and considered many arguments for and against Abyssea and both sides raise valid points, but I believe this suggestion is the best compromise short of making Abyssea 75+

I've yet to see an argument for raising the requirement that hasn't been completely and totally ripped apart.

I've yet to see an argument for leaving it the way it is that has been even dented.

[Bahamut_Norm]

I've yet to see an argument for raising the requirement that hasn't been completely and totally ripped apart.
I've yet to see an argument for leaving it the way it is that has been even dented.

Okay.
How about the massive gap in effort/reward ratio versus all other sources of experience points?

[Kuishen]

Okay.
How about the massive gap in effort/reward ratio versus all other sources of experience points?

You're right, the other sources of exp have a shitty effort/reward ratio.

[Eeek]

You're right, the other sources of exp have a shitty effort/reward ratio.

Even though FoV exp is definitely slow in comparison to Abyssea exp, I love FoV for one big reason: I can start, stop, and go AFK whenever I damn well please. The pace is relaxing and it doesn't require my attention at all times.

Of course, this is only relevant for lowbie jobs. I couldn't imagine trying to FoV jobs ablove Level 75. Then again, there are better solo-friend alternatives at that level anyways.

[Nepharite]

Okay.
How about the massive gap in effort/reward ratio versus all other sources of experience points?

Have you ever done keying? its totally worth gaining all that exp.

[Pharaun]

Simply because you choose to ignore every legitimate argument against Abyssea doesn't mean that there are no legit reasons. I could just as easily say I have yet to hear legitimate for Abyssea burning but I'd be lying.

I've heard and considered many arguments for and against Abyssea and both sides raise valid points, but I believe this suggestion is the best compromise short of making Abyssea 75+

Your argument that it takes a considerable amount of time in party environment to really learn a job is terrible and has already been addressed, but I'll address it yet again.

You said that you started playing in 06 and it took you until you were about level 45 to really start to learn how to play your job. I'm going to take a guess and say it took you about 2 months to get your job to 45 which is probably being generous if you figure in time to level subs and time spent farming.

For someone starting from scratch it should probably take them at most a month to get to 90 once they can start leeching in abyssea. This is probably being generous going the other way since we know that people have done it in less than a week, but we'll let this scenario favor you. Sometime during all this leeching they should have made a few friends, joined an LS, and learned about the various resources for the learning the mechanics of this game, wiki, BG, Alla...

After getting to 90 they would spend let's say a week capping the relevant combat and magic skills, again being generous to you since it shouldn't take more than a couple of days. Now that they have their skills capped, or at least raised to an acceptable level they then spend time browsing the wiki and other websites to learn what gear they need and what sets they should be working towards. After this they can spend the next 2 weeks farming seals and getting atmas and have reasonable TP and WS sets.

So it's been the same 2 month time frame but you're still at level 45 while the person in this scenario now has a level 90 job and still has learned just as much about the game as you did. Abyssea is also much more forgiving for a new player as long as they are with a some what competent group. They are much less likely to cause a wipe than in old content and thus can actually spend more time playing the game instead of being put on the sidelines.

Of course this is assuming that the person playing actually wants to learn about the game and the various jobs. There is no good reason for a person to spend 2-4 months slogging through the levels the old way just to "learn their job".