99 Empyrean Trials.

[macross]

PW and ADL you can get your ls and kill it at any time, since all you do is go kill it for the items. Doesn't matter how much you lose out helping your LS, it's a LS raid. If you aren't going to help out then why are you even in a LS? You can sure as hell kill more than 1 ADL per day anyways, and it can drop more than 1 umbral. There is no problem with supply since it's guaranteed to drop. We haven't lost to ADL since lvl 99, it's a mob designed for lvl 90's. Who cares if it splits just kill it. If you trying to lowman it with 6 then maybe its not 100%.

Being from an LS that can and does kill everything, I assure you, the order of difficulty is indeed mythic>Relic>Empy. Bard in my ls has finished 99 empy harp, but she will also have 99 relic and mythic soon after the patch as well. Only reason we havent farmed PW is it would be stupid too until the zeni change. She has cinder cause there's tons for sale as only 2-3 people have finished 95s, so cinders are 500k now. She also mass bought them when no one wanted them. Perhaps your server has no 95 empys thus there's supply. I know of at least 2 95s that use dross, prob quite a few more on my server, so they will buy them up for 1m, or some reseller will and try to gouge me on it. There just isn't a supply anymore. Heck my LSmates don't even all trade stones evne though we kill flan/ogres, meaning even less supply. After people get their bodies weapons, which drop like candy, they stop trading stones. Once the strong players stop going, then no one will be able to kill flan/ogre, since these 2 are a bit harder than the normal VW fodder.

People whined about VW low droprates, but when they put out like flan/ogre do, then people get finished and don't kill em no more. Should see how many athos and ogre bodies my LS has, so every time one drops that's one less person using stones anymore. Most my LS has run out of stones long ago, they will only trade when they want something. We've been spamming VW since it's release.

[Ravenmore]

How long before your LS becomes bored with it. You pick up more sheep? Its simple there is not enough sheep to go around for relics.

[macross]

I don't see us getting bored of it. We've been kililng ADL since it was released. Now there's an actual good reason to kill it instead of hoping for sagasinger to drop. Reason we don't got more umbrals is we only do Ls dyna 2x a week, and we do arch diabolos as well. If we just focus on 2x ADL a week can easily knock out a relic a week or so. We've got 10 people with at least 1 relic, so i'm sure we'll finish for those 10, then see what happens after that.

We also do ogre flan 4x each a week or more at least, yet i've gotten no progress on my 95 ukon. Having a mob that for sure will drop what you need and only need 5, is far far far easier than needing 60 of something that doesn't always drop. Done around 70 flan/ogres, would think I would be done with the trial no? Not even close. Now if ADL only had a 5% chance to drop umbral, then it would be harder than empy lol.

[newmonkey]

It's going to come down to your sever/ls then Marc because the 99 relics trials are going to be harder for my group, afterall someone got 60 dross yesterday and i see a galka selling 60 dross right now in upper jeuno at 1 mil each mind o.o

[Ravenmore]

I don't see us getting bored of it. We've been kililng ADL since it was released. Now there's an actual good reason to kill it instead of hoping for sagasinger to drop. Reason we don't got more umbrals is we only do Ls dyna 2x a week, and we do arch diabolos as well. If we just focus on 2x ADL a week can easily knock out a relic a week or so. We've got 10 people with at least 1 relic, so i'm sure we'll finish for those 10, then see what happens after that.

We also do ogre flan 4x each a week or more at least, yet i've gotten no progress on my 95 ukon. Having a mob that for sure will drop what you need and only need 5, is far far far easier than needing 60 of something that doesn't always drop. Done around 70 flan/ogres, would think I would be done with the trial no? Not even close. Now if ADL only had a 5% chance to drop umbral, then it would be harder than empy lol.

So you do have a bunch sheep. Only reason they would follow a leader into a event they get nothing out of.

[Mahoro]

Or that you didn't even read his post and notice that his LS has 10 people with at least 1 relic, which is already nearly all of the people you would need to kill ADL. Also you are neglecting the fact that the LS members who enter Dyna to help on ADL likely want stuff from other events that his LS rotates in.

Cut the ad hominem sheep shit.

[macross]

It's going to come down to your sever/ls then Marc because the 99 relics trials are going to be harder for my group, afterall someone got 60 dross yesterday and i see a galka selling 60 dross right now in upper jeuno at 1 mil each mind o.o

Buy them all for me before you transfer then.

[macross]

So you do have a bunch sheep. Only reason they would follow a leader into a event they get nothing out of.

Maybe you'd have bad experiences with LSs perhaps? First of all, I'm not even a officer, just a peon. My LS has been around since the NA launch. We do almost everything first, get almost all server first kills. ADL AV PW you name it. Even killed ogre and flan within 3days of their release. We work with the mentality of 'even if you don't get it today, we will keep farming it till everyone who wants it gets it". I can honestly say I've killed every HNM in the game, except for one of the arch diabolos, due to the 1/4 chance he will pop, and it being very rape.

I may be a sheep in the sense that the LS leader will plan the event and that's what we'll do. Of course he will get the first 5 umbrals, but that is only because he has the most DKP, plays the most. He may be an asshole and what not, but he is fair and not selfish. And we do get something out of it, the pride of being able to actually kill stuff, and get shit done. Being able to help your shell, making yourselves the best. Why even be in a shell if all you care about is yourself? I'm not the type of person to 'loot and scoot', nor is anyone in my shell.

[newmonkey]

Buy them all for me before you transfer then.

Send a mule to pick them up and ill glady buy them for you right now.

[Arcari]

Maybe you'd have bad experiences with LSs perhaps? First of all, I'm not even a officer, just a peon. My LS has been around since the NA launch. We do almost everything first, get almost all server first kills. ADL AV PW you name it. Even killed ogre and flan within 3days of their release. We work with the mentality of 'even if you don't get it today, we will keep farming it till everyone who wants it gets it". I can honestly say I've killed every HNM in the game, except for one of the arch diabolos, due to the 1/4 chance he will pop, and it being very rape.

I may be a sheep in the sense that the LS leader will plan the event and that's what we'll do. Of course he will get the first 5 umbrals, but that is only because he has the most DKP, plays the most. He may be an asshole and what not, but he is fair and not selfish. And we do get something out of it, the pride of being able to actually kill stuff, and get shit done. Being able to help your shell, making yourselves the best. Why even be in a shell if all you care about is yourself? I'm not the type of person to 'loot and scoot', nor is anyone in my shell.

If there's one thing I know about Lunarians, they stick to their guns and they're a damn good shell. Some of them are cool and some of them are jerks, but that's true of any shell their size.

I'd look into joining you guys seeing as I'm on very often, but I'm afraid I'd wind up burning out fast lol.