99 Empyrean Trials.

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^ I don't think it could've been said better.

Edit: fail for a new page starting..

[Avelonia]

The Emp trials are designed in such a manner that you're supposed to just throw money at it, nevermind actually doing the content to get drops. HMPs? lol, you can do 20 Uptalas and get maybe.. 1 pouch loaded with a random number of plates. Got 2 in a pouch? Too bad, suck less.

It's not even like plates drop at a fair enough rate that buying would merely only speed up your finish. If you don't buy plates, you're not finishing the trial period. Cinder and Dross are pretty much in the same boat where the rate is so ass the only way you're making progress is to buy from people from 400k-2M/pc.

This is by far my biggest gripe with the HMP and rift/cinder trials. It's literally impossible to complete them solely by doing the content, unlike the previous group of trials. You'd end up spending more money in voidstones than if you just bought the plates. In the same time frame you could probably farm yourself around 6 relics lol................

[Neisan_Quetz]

From start to 90 my Ukon took 8 or 9 days and absolutley crippled my friends Bravura.

I've already said they should add more ways for hmp to drop but reducing the number from 1500 isnt the way. Funny thing is soon as the 99 weapons go live Atories has already finished his 99 ukon.

95 Bravura isn't 'absolutely crippled' by 90 Ukon at 99. Unless you're talking about inside abyssea.

[newmonkey]

How do you figure that people even said maths proved that 90 Ukon would keep up with and surpass 99 Bravura so how do you figure the 95 Bravura isn't crippled by the 90 Ukon ?

[MarkovChain]

This is by far my biggest gripe with the HMP and rift/cinder trials. It's literally impossible to complete them solely by doing the content, unlike the previous group of trials. You'd end up spending more money in voidstones than if you just bought the plates. In the same time frame you could probably farm yourself around 6 relics lol................

It's a good thing. It's not a good sign for the game if the whole server has to do THE content in order to progress. Everyone has been fed up with abyssea at one point or another. Finally now people are actually trading stuff through bazars or auction house (VW has sellable drops and soon is going to have sellable tickets). There is a point in being rich and it finally puts a hierarchy into the game. I can't imagine what this thread would have been if HMP/riftitems/pwitems/DLitems had been rare/ex.

[Neisan_Quetz]

How do you figure that people even said maths proved that 90 Ukon would keep up with and surpass 99 Bravura so how do you figure the 95 Bravura isn't crippled by the 90 Ukon ?

Brovura is abit behind with BR up but otherwise can use Upheaval outside, which with a good set is not bad. If accuracy is a concern Brovura even comes out ahead of Ukon.

The real problems with Brovura is M Torment is somewhat lackluster due to the DT effect not really being necessary for anything (and having to use it to get the defense down effect, which isn't 100%), BR isn't as useful for noncrit ws (have to use Raging), and accuracy not being a huge concern for several fights (war either has enough of it or can get more elsewhere bar T6 VWNMs iirc).

[Ravenmore]

It's a good thing. It's not a good sign for the game if the whole server has to do THE content in order to progress. Everyone has been fed up with abyssea at one point or another. Finally now people are actually trading stuff through bazars or auction house (VW has sellable drops and soon is going to have sellable tickets). There is a point in being rich and it finally puts a hierarchy into the game. I can't imagine what this thread would have been if HMP/riftitems/pwitems/DLitems had been rare/ex.

So weres that vid of you 6 manning ADL huh. Oh and lolgil any one with a whm and a war can FC there way into mils or they can spam Campain and sell voiddust and come out better then doing the content, least till people give up doing VW like they did with Salvage.

[Camiie]

Just what we need to make the game fun! A socioeconomic hierarchy! It was more fun to me when gil didn't mean much. Now, once again, it's the deciding factor between elite and not. It's not skill or social connections... it's how much gil you can throw around... I usually break out the line that it's better to be lucky than good, but I guess in pchan's ideal world it's better to be rich than either one.

[Sparthos]

Bravura gets the advantage in future scenarios where temp items won't be available and monsters with crit resistance start getting thrown around.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Yea, if you're talking about VW Ukon is going to beat Brovura pretty handily there with refreshing temps, but I was assuming without. Although I did include unnerfed Miser's I geuss.