99 Empyrean Trials.

[DrStrangelove]

Would be really nice if in the future they had a VW fight or two that literally only dropped HMP, Riftcinder, Riftdross, HMP Pouches, and then perhaps Pouches of Riftcinder/dross as their super rare drop, as opposed to Equipment drops.

I wouldn't say limit all future VWNM HMP/Riftcinder/dross spoils to JUST these fights, but I do think fights like these would be highly appreciated for groups specifically trying finishing up those last couple Empy trials.

I'm sure relic owners would have liked a fight that only dropped pouches of Montients and 100 Byne bills. Empys are easy to make. Easy preezy. There is no reason to ask for more handouts of free stuff. At some point, empy owners are going to have do some work to get to 99. That starts at 95.

Relic and mythic owners wish they had it so good.

Try thinking about this:

BEFORE the relic is 75 and even useable, comes the $120 million.

BEFORE the mythic is 75 and useable, comes the $300 million and innumerable tasks.

The empy works great at 90 without a single dime and with less work!

[wish12oz]

I'm sure relic owners would have liked a fight that only dropped pouches of Montients and 100 Byne bills. Empys are easy to make. Easy preezy. There is no reason to ask for more handouts of free stuff. At some point, empy owners are going to have do some work to get to 99. That starts at 95.

Relic and mythic owners wish they had it so good.

Try thinking about this:

BEFORE the relic is 75 and even useable, comes the $120 million.

BEFORE the mythic is 75 and useable, comes the $300 million and innumerable tasks.

The empy works great at 90 without a single dime and with less work!

If you can make tons of gil, whats so hard about relics? Nothing, Empyreans require more effort, always have. And doing the 95 stage costs more then relics. Anyway, get out of my thread with your off topic comments. Empyrean trials for 95 and 99 are terrible, no one here cares about your boohooing that relics are easier then a 90 emp, and less expensive then a 95 emp.

[Zinato]

Empyrean can be bought as well. If buying is the issue both relic and empyrean can be bought to the 75 and 90 versions. If anyone compares the two is should be bought effort to bought effort, or farm to farm otherwise the comparision is invalid.

[Camiie]

I'm sure relic owners would have liked a fight that only dropped pouches of Montients and 100 Byne bills. Empys are easy to make. Easy preezy. There is no reason to ask for more handouts of free stuff. At some point, empy owners are going to have do some work to get to 99. That starts at 95.

There are NO "handouts of free stuff." I still haven't had anything magically appear in my delivery box ever in the history of FFXI. I still haven't found a free gear Moogle on the live servers. Until those are there, there are no "handouts."

I think the problem you have is that Empyrean up to 90 just happens to be a reasonable system where Relic and Mythic never were. I'm sorry that the devs failed on creating fair systems with those 2 weapons, but that's no reason to add an unfair factor to a system they actually got right. That's not how balance works contrary to your and SE's belief.

If you'd like to see Mythics and Relics made more fair and reasonable then go for it. I'd be glad to back you up on your mission even if I never intend to obtain either one.

[Helel]

If you can make tons of gil, whats so hard about relics? Nothing, Empyreans require more effort, always have. And doing the 95 stage costs more then relics. Anyway, get out of my thread with your off topic comments. Empyrean trials for 95 and 99 are terrible, no one here cares about your boohooing that relics are easier then a 90 emp, and less expensive then a 95 emp.

Camping NMs requires a lot of effort, and then you've got to lot on drops from abyssea NMs, and then you gotta go to jeuno to turn all the stuff in. Yeah, empyreans do require quite a bit of effort. That whole week of upgrading armageddon was tough stuff.

Give me a break. The HMPs are ridiculous yes, and it's just going to get worse once nyzul is released, but the cost pales in comparison to what 99 relics will cost. Umbral marrow will cost around 20m for it to be worth farming (which I doubt anyone will do anyway). That easily makes up the difference between empyrean and relics, and actually makes relics cost more. Rift items are a joke to get; you should be thanking SE that they didn't increase the number.

[Insaniac]

If you add in the 100+mil opportunity cost of 5 marrows(190ish mil if you just count the average 7 lost dynamis runs of 18 people), relics and emps are pretty close in cost and that's assuming you could have sold every emp item you used to make your 90 emp for 300k which is unrealistic. Kinda interesting to think about it that way.

[DrForester]

The 99 trial for empyreans is garbage. The weapons already cost more than relics after you buy 1500 heavy metal plates, so why were relic and mythic trials reduced in difficulty (though not enough for relics) and the empyrean trial wasn't changed at all? This is an outrage, almost more then expecting people to kill ADL for a year or more.

can't speak for Relics as they're really simple to get now, but in the case of Mythic, the lower number was probably Square saying "Sorry the quest just to get your weapon in the first place is so unreasonable compared to Relic and Empyrean".

[Zikon]

I would like the 1500 reduced.

That is all 60 Riftdross / 60 RiftCinder is a good number for a quest.

1500 is where the issue is created. Please change this number to 200-300.

[Camiie]

I would like the 1500 reduced.

That is all 60 Riftdross / 60 RiftCinder is a good number for a quest.

1500 is where the issue is created. Please change this number to 200-300.

150-200 might be fair if they make the drop rate and distribution more reasonable.

[DrStrangelove]

If you can make tons of gil, whats so hard about relics? Nothing, Empyreans require more effort, always have. And doing the 95 stage costs more then relics. Anyway, get out of my thread with your off topic comments. Empyrean trials for 95 and 99 are terrible, no one here cares about your boohooing that relics are easier then a 90 emp, and less expensive then a 95 emp.

The current amount of plates (1,500) is good as is.

1) Empys can be easily made into an endgame weapon (level 90) with zero cost. Zero. And hardly any work. WOW. Relics and mythic owners wish they had that. Empy's have a perfectly easy ride to 90.

2) If you want to upgrade it to 95, 1,500 plates is reasonable. 300 is simply a handout. That's the cost of 10% of a mythic just to make a mythic level 75. And with far less work.

3) Riftcinder/dross can be farmed at no cost or purchased. Even bought, the cost is still well WELL below a mythic.

Here is what you are asking:

A) let us have our free and easy preezy weapons to level 90
B) let us have them get to 99 for a fraction of what mythics and relics cost!
C) don't blame us because we like it that way!

I think end game level 99 weapons should take some time and effort. If you get it easy preezy at the start, then you have to make up for it at the end.

That's not the way to have good game balance. Now, let's stop asking for the best weapons to be easy!