99 Empyrean Trials.

[Creelo]

Would be really nice if in the future they had a VW fight or two that literally only dropped HMP, Riftcinder, Riftdross, HMP Pouches, and then perhaps Pouches of Riftcinder/dross as their super rare drop, as opposed to Equipment drops.

I wouldn't say limit all future VWNM HMP/Riftcinder/dross spoils to JUST these fights, but I do think fights like these would be highly appreciated for groups specifically trying finishing up those last couple Empy trials.

[Erics]

Would be really nice if in the future they had a VW fight or two that literally only dropped HMP, Riftcinder, Riftdross, HMP Pouches, and then perhaps Pouches of Riftcinder/dross as their super rare drop, as opposed to Equipment drops.

I wouldn't say limit all future VWNM HMP/Riftcinder/dross spoils to JUST these fights, but I do think fights like these would be highly appreciated for groups specifically trying finishing up those last couple Empy trials.

I would be happy with this. The amount of items needed wouldn't be so bad if there was a huge increase in drop rates for the items. The fact at 99, it seems we will be putting forth as much effort as the other weapons and the only thing we achieve is a tiny stat boost to our WS mod? While the other weapons have some nice boost to other aspects. People can cry over how some of the WS are "broken" all they want, but look at Quietus.. It sucks. Either SE needs to lower the items required, increase the drop rates for the items needed by a very acceptable percent, or 99 empy's deserve another type of boost, hidden effect, attack or accuracy+, or whatever. I'm not trying to flame or argue with anyone, this is just my opinion on the matter. Feel free to express yours, we can all talk like mature adults(I hope).

[DrStrangelove]

Would be really nice if in the future they had a VW fight or two that literally only dropped HMP, Riftcinder, Riftdross, HMP Pouches, and then perhaps Pouches of Riftcinder/dross as their super rare drop, as opposed to Equipment drops.

I wouldn't say limit all future VWNM HMP/Riftcinder/dross spoils to JUST these fights, but I do think fights like these would be highly appreciated for groups specifically trying finishing up those last couple Empy trials.

I'm sure relic owners would have liked a fight that only dropped pouches of Montients and 100 Byne bills. Empys are easy to make. Easy preezy. There is no reason to ask for more handouts of free stuff. At some point, empy owners are going to have do some work to get to 99. That starts at 95.

Relic and mythic owners wish they had it so good.

Try thinking about this:

BEFORE the relic is 75 and even useable, comes the $120 million.

BEFORE the mythic is 75 and useable, comes the $300 million and innumerable tasks.

The empy works great at 90 without a single dime and with less work!

[wish12oz]

I'm sure relic owners would have liked a fight that only dropped pouches of Montients and 100 Byne bills. Empys are easy to make. Easy preezy. There is no reason to ask for more handouts of free stuff. At some point, empy owners are going to have do some work to get to 99. That starts at 95.

Relic and mythic owners wish they had it so good.

Try thinking about this:

BEFORE the relic is 75 and even useable, comes the $120 million.

BEFORE the mythic is 75 and useable, comes the $300 million and innumerable tasks.

The empy works great at 90 without a single dime and with less work!

If you can make tons of gil, whats so hard about relics? Nothing, Empyreans require more effort, always have. And doing the 95 stage costs more then relics. Anyway, get out of my thread with your off topic comments. Empyrean trials for 95 and 99 are terrible, no one here cares about your boohooing that relics are easier then a 90 emp, and less expensive then a 95 emp.

[Helel]

If you can make tons of gil, whats so hard about relics? Nothing, Empyreans require more effort, always have. And doing the 95 stage costs more then relics. Anyway, get out of my thread with your off topic comments. Empyrean trials for 95 and 99 are terrible, no one here cares about your boohooing that relics are easier then a 90 emp, and less expensive then a 95 emp.

Camping NMs requires a lot of effort, and then you've got to lot on drops from abyssea NMs, and then you gotta go to jeuno to turn all the stuff in. Yeah, empyreans do require quite a bit of effort. That whole week of upgrading armageddon was tough stuff.

Give me a break. The HMPs are ridiculous yes, and it's just going to get worse once nyzul is released, but the cost pales in comparison to what 99 relics will cost. Umbral marrow will cost around 20m for it to be worth farming (which I doubt anyone will do anyway). That easily makes up the difference between empyrean and relics, and actually makes relics cost more. Rift items are a joke to get; you should be thanking SE that they didn't increase the number.

[DrStrangelove]

If you can make tons of gil, whats so hard about relics? Nothing, Empyreans require more effort, always have. And doing the 95 stage costs more then relics. Anyway, get out of my thread with your off topic comments. Empyrean trials for 95 and 99 are terrible, no one here cares about your boohooing that relics are easier then a 90 emp, and less expensive then a 95 emp.

The current amount of plates (1,500) is good as is.

1) Empys can be easily made into an endgame weapon (level 90) with zero cost. Zero. And hardly any work. WOW. Relics and mythic owners wish they had that. Empy's have a perfectly easy ride to 90.

2) If you want to upgrade it to 95, 1,500 plates is reasonable. 300 is simply a handout. That's the cost of 10% of a mythic just to make a mythic level 75. And with far less work.

3) Riftcinder/dross can be farmed at no cost or purchased. Even bought, the cost is still well WELL below a mythic.

Here is what you are asking:

A) let us have our free and easy preezy weapons to level 90
B) let us have them get to 99 for a fraction of what mythics and relics cost!
C) don't blame us because we like it that way!

I think end game level 99 weapons should take some time and effort. If you get it easy preezy at the start, then you have to make up for it at the end.

That's not the way to have good game balance. Now, let's stop asking for the best weapons to be easy!

[Erics]

B) let us have them get to 99 for a fraction of what mythics and relics cost!
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You do know relics are a lot cheaper then empy's HMP stage don't you?

[Zinato]

You do know relics are a lot cheaper then empy's HMP stage don't you?

Average currency piece is 7.5k-10k you need 17.5k-18.5k to make relic. That's 131,250,000 to 185m. HMP are currently 100k each, 150m total, right near the middle. That assumes you choose to farm 0 plates. Also if the average person can get 200 pieces of currency a day in a 2hr dynamis (being generous) then 20 plates (taking currency to be 10k apiece at lower values it takes less plates) in a 2hr period would equal the effort in terms of farming. Pouches from experience are 1/4 and 12 kills in 2hr is reasonable (that's one kill in 10 minutes) and not limited to once a day. In rough numbers currency and plate farming go at the same speed at a ratio of 10:1 (which is equivalent cost)

Emyprean in many cases are also superior at 90 to relics at 95/99. If its going to be powerful enough to be in the same class as relic/mythic then the effort to get it should be comparable, and whose to say empyrean should be easiest of the three to obtain? And, of the three empyrean is the only one unsubject to daily wait times. That is where the "added" effort comes in empyrean, aren't forced to wait for JP midnight.

[DrStrangelove]

You do know relics are a lot cheaper then empy's HMP stage don't you?

Relics currency $120 million and umbrals $100 million = $220 million

Mythics $300 million + PW drops

Empys $150 million plates and $60 million rift = $210 million

I'm not sure what math you are using. $300 million > $220 million > $210 million where I live.

Now let's all agree....

EMPYS are already far cheaper to make than mythics and relics.

[Camiie]

I'm sure relic owners would have liked a fight that only dropped pouches of Montients and 100 Byne bills. Empys are easy to make. Easy preezy. There is no reason to ask for more handouts of free stuff. At some point, empy owners are going to have do some work to get to 99. That starts at 95.

There are NO "handouts of free stuff." I still haven't had anything magically appear in my delivery box ever in the history of FFXI. I still haven't found a free gear Moogle on the live servers. Until those are there, there are no "handouts."

I think the problem you have is that Empyrean up to 90 just happens to be a reasonable system where Relic and Mythic never were. I'm sorry that the devs failed on creating fair systems with those 2 weapons, but that's no reason to add an unfair factor to a system they actually got right. That's not how balance works contrary to your and SE's belief.

If you'd like to see Mythics and Relics made more fair and reasonable then go for it. I'd be glad to back you up on your mission even if I never intend to obtain either one.