Lower The Minimum Level Required To Enter Abyssea from 30-1

[Gunit]

well the people who just Ab'd jobs up for maats cap? yea. not too worried about them. im talking about people who would have a few capped jobs, and have them fully geared and were capable at them. those are the players im talking about. and sadly, most of them have left.

Getting a job to 75 and gearing a job correctly at 75 is a lot different

[Gunit]

theres a few threads on that debate, or you could just read this thread.

Or maybe you should none of them have any reasons with merit to change the cap.

[HFX7686]

I don't think that leveling slowly through to the level cap gives you skill in playing the game. I think that it is like earning a black belt in martial arts. When you get a black belt you have trained enough to learn how to apply the martial art. When you get a job to cap you are ready to learn how to play. I don't know anyone who knew how to play the game when they hit the cap. It took doing endgame events after hitting the cap for them to truly understand the depth and width of what that job had to offer.

If someone is just leveling a job for kicks and doesn't plan on using it after they hit the cap I don't see the problem with them being under-skilled.

[Greatguardian]

well the people who just Ab'd jobs up for maats cap? yea. not too worried about them. im talking about people who would have a few capped jobs, and have them fully geared and were capable at them. those are the players im talking about. and sadly, most of them have left.

No, you misunderstand me. I've been playing since Oct '03. Once Oct '04 came around, it was no longer a big deal. Tons of people liked to think that they were cool because they had 75's, but that never really gave them any sort of bragging rights. Since when has "I have 6 75's, therefore I know more than you" ever been acceptable in any sort of intelligent discussion?

Hint: It hasn't.

[Kuishen]

Or maybe you should none of them have any reasons with merit to change the cap.

Quoted for truth.

[DrDelicious]

I don't think that leveling slowly through to the level cap gives you skill in playing the game. I think that it is like earning a black belt in martial arts. When you get a black belt you have trained enough to learn how to apply the martial art. When you get a job to cap you are ready to learn how to play. I don't know anyone who knew how to play the game when they hit the cap. It took doing endgame events after hitting the cap for them to truly understand the depth and width of what that job had to offer.

If someone is just leveling a job for kicks and doesn't plan on using it after they hit the cap I don't see the problem with them being under-skilled.

my point exactly. just dont do it in my xp party please. abyssea is a great addition to the game, but it has made players too dependent on the buffs that they receive in abyssea. hate control, mp conservation, skillchains, things of the past.
and with the martial arts thing, on your road to black belt you learn everything you need to know when you get your BB. and id like to think that was the correlation you were going for. most training after that is a refining of those skills you learned.

[Odintius]

I don't think that leveling slowly through to the level cap gives you skill in playing the game. I think that it is like earning a black belt in martial arts. When you get a black belt you have trained enough to learn how to apply the martial art. When you get a job to cap you are ready to learn how to play. I don't know anyone who knew how to play the game when they hit the cap. It took doing endgame events after hitting the cap for them to truly understand the depth and width of what that job had to offer.

If someone is just leveling a job for kicks and doesn't plan on using it after they hit the cap I don't see the problem with them being under-skilled.

Agree it's the one who are planning to use that job for end game that are under skilled is an issue my opinion of course.

[HFX7686]

I'm a level 90 WHM. It was level 75 years before the level cap increase. I play WHM all the time. Sometimes I play RDM but mostly WHM. My healing magic skill has never, ever been capped. I think it is about 50 points below cap as of right now and I don't know many people who have it higher than I do.

Skill levels are sometimes subjective. Obviously not always. I wouldn't particularly care if a BRD did not have their dagger skill maxed out for example (extreme example obviously).

[DrDelicious]

No, you misunderstand me. I've been playing since Oct '03. Once Oct '04 came around, it was no longer a big deal. Tons of people liked to think that they were cool because they had 75's, but that never really gave them any sort of bragging rights. Since when has "I have 6 75's, therefore I know more than you" ever been acceptable in any sort of intelligent discussion?

Hint: It hasn't.

ive always judged people on how they play, not based on who had what leveled. ive met some people in jungle parties that were much more capable and smart and knew their jobs better than people with several capped jobs. it is all based on the players, if they suck a their job, capped or not, they suck. gear, skills and job level wont change that.
i think it was a comedian who said it best, something along the lines of you cant fix stupid. i think he hit the nail on the head with that statement.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Agree it's the one who are planning to use that job for end game that are under skilled is an issue my opinion of course.

to be honest that is my main problem as well, heck I plan on trying out this "leeching" thing myself with my NIN....... I hate NIN -.- just want to get it to 49 and skill it up to max and be done with it.