Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Ezikiel]

Lets assume a few things you get 18 75+ people together and they are able to kill La Thaine Worms in 10-20 seconds per party/group(DDs, Mages) so that would be 3 monsters every 10-20 seconds (sounds like an efficient group). You've already capped lights on most people so almost all monsters are dropping chests. Lets also assume the person running around popping the chests is making sure not to waste keys so they are checking them before popping. Now lets account for lag on their part and say it takes them 5-10 seconds to check a chest.

In 1 minute at 20 second x3 kills that's a total of 9 chests.
At 5 (assume 6 w/ Key Macro) seconds per chest that means a person popping chests can open 10 chests per minute at peek performance. This leaves them 6 seconds to do something.
At 10 (assume 11 w/ Key Macro) seconds per chest that means a person popping chests can open 5 per minute leaving 4 unopened.

You can argue you don't need to check Red chests but to that I say people come and go for various reasons.
You can argue you don't need to check Gold chests if you're after EXP/Cru/TE but to that I say the moment 1 person takes a KI/item and others notice drama will ensue.
You could argue well everyone can help pop chests but to that I say it tends to lead to multiple people checking chests which leads to kills slowing down for various reasons which means EXP/TE/Cru slow down as well.

I guess if the level 75+ is a mage they could toss out a spell in those 6 seconds they have to spare since that doesn't require running up to a monster.

So how is a level 75+ key person any less of a leech than the level 30+ person?

Neither of them really have time to do anything else assuming your group is decently efficient.

Key people are needed and they blow major cruor to do it so they mat as well get benefits of burning low lvl job while giving away their cruor for the good of the party. i just hate the ones who instantly grab all the dam KI's

[Ramsos]

My argument is not that a 75 person is less efficient than a 30 for keying boxes. My argument is that a 75 is not going to want to waste cruor opening boxes while a 30 has no choice in the matter.

[Mrbeansman]

My argument is not that a 75 person is less efficient than a 30 for keying boxes. My argument is that a 75 is not going to want to waste cruor opening boxes while a 30 has no choice in the matter.

What is it with you people and your baseless assumptions

[Ramsos]

What is it with you people and your baseless assumptions

Find me a 75 who enjoys wasting their cruor by keying boxes instead of skilling up.

[Krystal]

Lets assume a few things you get 18 75+ people together and they are able to kill La Thaine Worms in 10-20 seconds per party/group(DDs, Mages) so that would be 3 monsters every 10-20 seconds (sounds like an efficient group). You've already capped lights on most people so almost all monsters are dropping chests. Lets also assume the person running around popping the chests is making sure not to waste keys so they are checking them before popping. Now lets account for lag on their part and say it takes them 5-10 seconds to check a chest.


In 1 minute at 20 second x3 kills that's a total of 9 chests.
At 5 (assume 6 w/ Key Macro) seconds per chest that means a person popping chests can open 10 chests per minute at peek performance. This leaves them 6 seconds to do something.
At 10 (assume 11 w/ Key Macro) seconds per chest that means a person popping chests can open 5 per minute leaving 4 unopened.

You can argue you don't need to check Red chests but to that I say people come and go for various reasons.
You can argue you don't need to check Gold chests if you're after EXP/Cru/TE but to that I say the moment 1 person takes a KI/item and others notice drama will ensue.
You could argue well everyone can help pop chests but to that I say it tends to lead to multiple people checking chests which leads to kills slowing down for various reasons which means EXP/TE/Cru slow down as well.

I guess if the level 75+ is a mage they could toss out a spell in those 6 seconds they have to spare since that doesn't require running up to a monster.

So how is a level 75+ key person any less of a leech than the level 30+ person?

Neither of them really have time to do anything else assuming your group is decently efficient.

Frankly the whole "key master" thing is bogus in my book..but it's a system that "works" well. the diff is this:A level 75 have worked their but off earning their levels outside of abby..so one person out of the lot getting the "easy route" from 75+ being a key master is okay for me. but for any who are lower than that they are simply just wanting to "burn to 90 just to make that job 90" and any who say otherwise is full of crap! becuase a person who worked that job to 75 knows it and actually wants to play it. my idea is this...if you don't like a job....DON'T LEVEL IT! don't leach it to 90 just to brag you have a job at 90..and that's what these abby noobs are doing. they could care less about the job. they just want another level 90 for bragging rights.

[Ramsos]

Frankly the whole "key master" thing is bogus in my book..but it's a system that "works" well. the diff is this:A level 75 have worked their but off earning their levels outside of abby..so one person out of the lot getting the "easy route" from 75+ being a key master is okay for me. but for any who are lower than that they are simply just wanting to "burn to 90 just to make that job 90" and any who say otherwise is full of crap! becuase a person who worked that job to 75 knows it and actually wants to play it. my idea is this...if you don't like a job....DON'T LEVEL IT! don't leach it to 90 just to brag you have a job at 90..and that's what these abby noobs are doing. they could care less about the job. they just want another level 90 for bragging rights.

Because there were no 75 noobs before abyssea existed, right?

[Mrbeansman]

Frankly the whole "key master" thing is bogus in my book..but it's a system that "works" well. the diff is this:A level 75 have worked their but off earning their levels outside of abby..so one person out of the lot getting the "easy route" from 75+ being a key master is okay for me. but for any who are lower than that they are simply just wanting to "burn to 90 just to make that job 90" and any who say otherwise is full of crap! becuase a person who worked that job to 75 knows it and actually wants to play it. my idea is this...if you don't like a job....DON'T LEVEL IT! don't leach it to 90 just to brag you have a job at 90..and that's what these abby noobs are doing. they could care less about the job. they just want another level 90 for bragging rights.

You've made at least 7 threads and have not listened to a single thing in any of them. We have told you over and over why this is wrong you just seem to have zero comprehension skills.

[Krystal]

Because there were no 75 noobs before abyssea existed, right?

*rolls eyes* there will be players who don't know the job..sure..that's a given...but MOST OF THEM..will know it if they leveled the job outside of abyssea the proper way. no smn burns...so level sync leaching...the proper way.

[Krystal]

You've made at least 7 threads and have not listened to a single thing in any of them. We have told you over and over why this is wrong you just seem to have zero comprehension skills.

no actually..i just don't understand the "lazy player" Language...so maybe if you changed your accent abit.........:P

[Greatguardian]

Krystal used the Konami Code to give her Strawmen infinite lives.