No more almost impossible to obtain crap please

[Meyi]

Like it is for some IRL party of dungeon & dragon "paper RPG",
I beleive FFXI and server will stay up a realy long time, SE dont have any reason to turn off servers if there is people to play and till they're frequently adding new content i dont see any reason to stop playing it for myself,
So if you have 10 years+ to done slowly at your rythm your achievment, i think its just good like it

The problem is, it will take 10+ years playing hardcore. It's not like they're just killing a bunny or two for the day and logging out of the game to tend to real life activities. These aren't simple elemental staff trials. This isn't crafting.

And by the end of the 10 year span, could they look back and say, "Yeah, I spent those last 10 years effectively!"? No. Every moment on a video game is wasted time. The only thing salvageable from playing a game is the enjoyment and relaxation factor. Maybe a small sense of accomplishment and interaction, but mainly for entertainment and relaxation.

The biggest problem with FFXI is that it isn't a relaxing game. When Abyssea came out, many players were relieved that they could finally relax and take things at their own pace. If they wanted to log in for twenty minutes, get some exp with friends, and log out, they could. And now, unfortunately, FFXI is swinging back into its old hardcore self.

Problem is we don't want to go back there.

If I spent 10+ years getting a doctorate then I would say those 10 years were worth it. If I spent 10 years planning for a child and had one then I would say those 10 years were worth it. If I spent 10 years working a job I hated to pay for bills and buy a house then I'd say those 10 years were worth it. But 10 years to make a pixelated item glow?

Not worth it no matter how you look at it.

[Tamoa]

If I read it right people that have the 95 weapons will be able to obtain the level 99 version fairly easily. Its just the 2nd part which is the Afterglow. I would think the 1st part would be like 20 Dynamis Lord kill or something like that for relics. Which isn't a big deal. Mythics maybe 10-15 PW? If that's the case at least you can get a couple items to use towards afterglow or sell them and divide it out for peoples time. Empyreans I'm not sure maybe there is something new for VW coming out for it? You will still get the stat updates and a level 99 weapon. You just wont glow Sort of like the relic +2 items. You get the 1st part of the relic +2 upgrade then the additional trial for the augment, in this case the augment will be Afterglow. At least this is how I read it unless something changed.

That's the thing though, SE haven't told us what exactly is the trial for the 1st stage, and what's required for 2nd stage. So that's anybody's guess really. 20 DL (or did you mean Arch DL?) kills for stage 1 relics and 10-15 PW kills for stage 1 mythics could be spot on, or way off. We simply do not know.

[Unleashhell]

Yeah I would think its regular Dynamis Lord OR Diablos for relics. 20x kills. Being that Arch DL has the items for the phase 2 I would think it would be kept separate. But then again there is no Arch PW so I'm not sure what it could be for Mythics. I'm just trying to figure some kind of pattern of what they could be.

[Alhanelem]

If anyone needs an idea of how impossible these items are to obtain, click here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post261707

[Unleashhell]

Why does everyone care about Afterglow? The items people keep talking about are PHASE 2.... who cares if you glow.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...eapon-Upgrades

Look this is the FIRST PART:
[dev1065] Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean Weapon Upgrades

With the forthcoming version update, players will be able to upgrade equipment to level 99 in two stages:

>>>>>> Stage 1 <<<<<< See this right here???????

Possible upgrades will include damage, delay, and weapon skill damage along with other attributes.
The planned difficulty level for the corresponding Magian upgrade trials will be such that a majority of players with the appropriate level 95 equipment will likely be able to complete them. <<<<<< SEE THIS RIGHT HERE
*This content is not yet available on the test server.

>>>>>> Step 2 <<<<<<<<<< See this right here???

Possible upgrades will include special animations along with "Afterglow" effects that grant status benefits to party members.
The corresponding Magian trials will be exceedingly difficult to complete, such that only a select number of PCs will be able to upgrade weapons to this stage.
*Gjallarhorn and Daurdabla may not be imbued with Afterglow effects.

[Tamoa]

That's all well and good, but it's still not giving us any exact information at all.

[Chamaan]

Doesn't make any sense why they believe these afterglow effects are worth that much effort. For the amount of work you put it afterglows should do something ridiculous, like make you and your party immune to the last form of damage you did.

Would be nice if they came out and said "We plan on giving you a new full on expansion with new zones and three years of content, so that the 17 other helping you with your impossible weapon have something to do for the next three years that isn't just logging on to help you with your impossible weapon."

[Sparthos]

Why does everyone care about Afterglow? The items people keep talking about are PHASE 2.... who cares if you glow.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...eapon-Upgrades

Look this is the FIRST PART:
[dev1065] Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean Weapon Upgrades

With the forthcoming version update, players will be able to upgrade equipment to level 99 in two stages:

>>>>>> Stage 1 <<<<<< See this right here???????

Possible upgrades will include damage, delay, and weapon skill damage along with other attributes.
The planned difficulty level for the corresponding Magian upgrade trials will be such that a majority of players with the appropriate level 95 equipment will likely be able to complete them. <<<<<< SEE THIS RIGHT HERE
*This content is not yet available on the test server.

>>>>>> Step 2 <<<<<<<<<< See this right here???

Possible upgrades will include special animations along with "Afterglow" effects that grant status benefits to party members.
The corresponding Magian trials will be exceedingly difficult to complete, such that only a select number of PCs will be able to upgrade weapons to this stage.
*Gjallarhorn and Daurdabla may not be imbued with Afterglow effects.

Dude, we can read and my point still stands.

FFXI has an undermanned dev team who obviously are swamped with work because things are always delayed come version update time. We just heard that relic specific pets/magic are being 'reviewed' which translates to being postponed because they've prioritized something above it with regards to the workload.

What could possibly take precedence over relic specific pets/spells? A glow effect 0.005% of your base is going to obtain of course! /facepalm

Seriously? Things get canned or pushed back yet someone at SE was tasked to not only put together afterglows but also the insanity trials that accompany them. Does that sound like a good use of developer time? Developers that are already spread thin? I don't. I think it's stupid and completely showing a lack of priorities.

Now because someone at SE (Tana...someone) decided to prioritize an insanity level trial to get level99, SE now has to work backwards and duplicate work by creating non-afterglow relics/mythics/emps and design trials for these weapons because no one could realize that well.. a no-life tier trial was stupid to begin with.

This further pushes useful content back and keeps players waiting for whatever can then be trickled out. Time that could have been used to give Guttlers/Claustrum unique pets, time that could have been used to put a new healing spell on Mjollnir, time that could have been used to put Massacre Elegy on G.Horn, time that could have been used to make the game............*drumroll*.............. fun.

[Cowardlybabooon]

They should at least make afterglow apply to the wearer and maybe up the stats. Then I'm cool with impossible, as long as the weapon is broken.

[Alhanelem]

The afterglow effects are so worthless that nobody will bother attempting them considering their absurd difficulty.

Basically, the whole point of this thread is: If nobody is going to obtain this and the benefits of doing so are minimal at best, then why even bother to develop this content? There are a lot of better things they could be devoting their time to.