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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilax View Post
    If relic was that EASY to get, i would have 11 Relic with my 11 Empy, so knock it off.
    And you probably would still know how to use 0 of them effectively. People complete relics from 0 --> 95 in less than 2 months now. Making a relic is a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asymptotic View Post
    And you probably would still know how to use 0 of them effectively. People complete relics from 0 --> 95 in less than 2 months now. Making a relic is a joke.
    And how that make you think is right to make Mandau fail as sub hand but not Coruscanti?
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    Nvm I got some grapevine info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilax View Post
    Twastar/Coruscanti = success, Quad dmg, Are you kiding me or what?
    Only on the Coruscanti strikes, just like Twashtar aftermath doesn't apply to the offhand. Altered effect in the offhand is unique to Relics and Mythics. There are literally no other weapons that suffer this penalty. It's meant to balance 1h vs. 2h relics, not other weapons vs. relics. IIRC this was added around the time Mythics came out, probably so that you couldn't dual-wield relics and mythics for crazy stat boosts compared to a 2-handed job which can't wield both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilax View Post
    And how that make you think is right to make Mandau fail as sub hand but not Coruscanti?
    Read my above post for why they gimped relics/mythics in the offhand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asymptotic View Post
    Only on the Coruscanti strikes, just like Twashtar aftermath doesn't apply to the offhand. Altered effect in the offhand is unique to Relics and Mythics. There are literally no other weapons that suffer this penalty. It's meant to balance 1h vs. 2h relics, not other weapons vs. relics. IIRC this was added around the time Mythics came out, probably so that you couldn't dual-wield relics and mythics for crazy stat boosts compared to a 2-handed job which can't wield both.
    Derp :/ that was super hard to understand.
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    Besides if Mandau worked in offhand, I'm not convinced Twashtar/Mandau would be best. It would probably be Vajra/Mandau.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asymptotic View Post
    Only on the Coruscanti strikes, just like Twashtar aftermath doesn't apply to the offhand. Altered effect in the offhand is unique to Relics and Mythics. There are literally no other weapons that suffer this penalty. It's meant to balance 1h vs. 2h relics, not other weapons vs. relics. IIRC this was added around the time Mythics came out, probably so that you couldn't dual-wield relics and mythics for crazy stat boosts compared to a 2-handed job which can't wield both.
    And again what part you don't understand here:

    Twastar/Coruscanti (Will QUAD DMG only on off hand, give +15 DEX, and +5% Crit rate)
    Twastar/Mandau (Will Triple DMG only on off hand, give +35 attack, poison 10/tic.)

    So how a "TRIPLE DMG" apply only on offhand "OVERPOWER" relic combo, but "QUAD DMG" is not "OVERPOWER"?

    How DEV even end to think that way? They are so scared by the 10 poison a tic form mandau? or 35 attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Asymptotic View Post
    Besides if Mandau worked in offhand, I'm not convinced Twashtar/Mandau would be best. It would probably be Vajra/Mandau.
    Vajra/Mandau, Twastar/Coruscanti or Mandau/Coruscanti would still be better. But is not even the point here..
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    1.) It's +5% critical hit rate, not +5% critical hit damage.
    2.) French and English both have past participles. I speak both. You have no excuse to confuse "Overpower" and "Overpowered." The best translations in French for "overpowered" are probably immodéré or injustifié. They're both past participle adjectives. It is relatively common in English and French alike for past participles to be used adjectives, but you can't use the plain, pre-conjugate form as an adjective.
    3.) 35 attack is a lot and has a much more significant effect on your DPS than you realize.
    4.) Vajra/Mandau would most likely blow Twashtar/Mandau out of the water by miles, to the point where it probably would be overpowered. Anything/Coruscanti, I don't see particularly being overpowered, even with a 10% quadruple damage effect.
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    Also I'm about 95% sure that Mandau/Coruscanti beats Mandau/Twashtar, even without the ODSD effect.

    With the ODSD effect working as was described previously, Mandau/Coruscanti renders Twashtar completely worthless as an offhand for Mandau.
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    Last edited by Asymptotic; 01-10-2012 at 01:23 PM.

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