Nerfing Ukko/Vsmite so lazy players can be more useful?

[Kitkat]

"shaking my head"

So many troll's, enjoying so much anguish.

Hey DEV team there a SS over on FFXIAH right now of a RNG hitting a 20k + Barrage in VW. Wanna pass that along to the higher ups, I think SE may want to pass some balance down the line on that.

ugh

Find it interesting you want to compare a standard attack mechanic that can also crit, have hidden proc activate(3x damage @ 13% activation, and if follows suit only procs on first hit(checked the profile to find they are a relic gun user)), is against a piercing weak-mob, and also stacks with a low 5% set bonus proc (2x damage) that is upwards of 8 hits (9 with af hands) while using a 71+127dmg weapon vs a 2 fold (possible 4 fold with DA proc) WS that still does upwards of 8k on the very same mob your SS link connects to.

BG has a nice collection of Wars doing 5300-6.4k on Pil and 5400 with Vsmite. Would be nice to come close to that with CdC, but my personal best capped out at 3.2k with averages hovering a good 2/3 of what the mnk or war puts out on average.

Honestly, if you want to bring time this was allowed before nerf came into the picture I'd like to point you in the direction of Rng who used to never have distance penalties. Then SE took out the nerf bat and it took nearly 4 years just to get 2/3 that strength back via the addition of a JA that can be dispelled immediately after being put up.

Sorry, but whether you agree with it or not, this was needed. You just won't be able to put out stupid amounts of DD over every other DD, doesn't mean you aren't still a DD. Worse off, it is sad when people want to say others are lazy cause they can't pull out 3-5k WS even with some of the best gear available to them. If I want to pull out that kind of damage I always have abyssea, but the point of the development cycle was to pull away from easy mode because it was too easy, and to balance the distribution of power through the jobs classified as DD. As it currently stands you have DD, then you have MNK and War in a class of their own. You'll still do more damage than a non-emp mnk or war, you'll still be along the top tier of DD....you just won't be putting out exceedingly high WS as easily, just like the rest of the DD.

[Anewie]

This thread is embarrassing.. . .

[wish12oz]

This thread is embarrassing.. . .

So is hiding behind mules.

[Prothscar]

Looks like the whiners are getting their way, Ukko's Fury appears to be getting bumped down only to 20%, which has Ukko's Fury losing a maximum of 6% of its overall effectiveness.

[tyrantsyn]

Find it interesting you want to compare a standard attack mechanic that can also crit, have hidden proc activate(3x damage @ 13% activation, and if follows suit only procs on first hit(checked the profile to find they are a relic gun user)), is against a piercing weak-mob, and also stacks with a low 5% set bonus proc (2x damage) that is upwards of 8 hits (9 with af hands) while using a 71+127dmg weapon vs a 2 fold (possible 4 fold with DA proc) WS that still does upwards of 8k on the very same mob your SS link connects to.

BG has a nice collection of Wars doing 5300-6.4k on Pil and 5400 with Vsmite. Would be nice to come close to that with CdC, but my personal best capped out at 3.2k with averages hovering a good 2/3 of what the mnk or war puts out on average.
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When I posted that I was in a mind set of wtf'ery. I understand everything that goes into a ws like that, and how RNG has a bonus on that particular mob weakness. Still even IF a WAR is hitting back to back 5k to 6.5k ukko's in this situation it would still take them 3 ws + melee hits to match that kind of damage. From my personal experience with WAR there's no such thing as back to back 5k + ukko's outside abyssea. 5k+ to me is a lucky proc with totally torque out buffs.

Second off let me say I'm glad that RNG can hit those kind of numbers. I'm sure that guy/gal has put a lot of time money and energy into being able to produce that hit. And deserves to get it.

Lastly, those numbers your getting on CDC sound great to me. And hope to see them myself when I get around to finishing my Almace. But like you mention in your first paragraph about base damage, a sword is never going to see or match the numbers on a Ukon GA. So at 3.2k I say your top of the food chain for a sword user.

[Finuve]

would love to see those CDC numbers on Quietus...or hell Torcleaver hitting that outside abyssea would be nice

[Anewie]

Looks like the whiners are getting their way, Ukko's Fury appears to be getting bumped down only to 20%, which has Ukko's Fury losing a maximum of 6% of its overall effectiveness.

Ugh. I'm disgusted.

I'd say "at least we don't have to hear them crying anymore" but the same people crying over such an minimal, but very necessary nerf, will find something else to whine about.

Really wish SE would grow some balls and release a statement saying: The following jobs "care cups" have emptied
1. SAM
2. WAR
3. MNK
4. BLM
5. WHM
6. DNC

In addition to this, we also plan on looking into fixing the following jobs so they SUCK LESS
1. SMN
2. BST
3. RDM
4. RNG
5. DRK


Not to mention, i'm gonna go on a limb and say BRD, COR need some buffs too. I'm not too sure about cor, but where is BRDs tier 3 elegy, march, mambo, mandrigal? I believe they only got carols with the last update. I'm sure cor is struggling too.

Support jobs just aren't what they used to be, and OMG SMN is a hot mess job. It is really sad lv.70 bps > lvl 90+ ones. Embarrassing.

Whenever I hear someone say their "main" is SMN, or DRK, I just feel so bad for them. Lol, im sure i'm not the only one.

[Tsuneo]

Whining about whining, I love the hypocrisy.

[Brolic]

Ugh. I'm disgusted.

I'd say "at least we don't have to hear them crying anymore" but the same people crying over such an minimal, but very necessary nerf, will find something else to whine about.

Really wish SE would grow some balls and release a statement saying: The following jobs "care cups" have emptied
1. SAM
2. WAR
3. MNK
4. BLM
5. WHM
6. DNC

In addition to this, we also plan on looking into fixing the following jobs so they SUCK LESS
1. SMN
2. BST
3. RDM
4. RNG
5. DRK


Not to mention, i'm gonna go on a limb and say BRD, COR need some buffs too. I'm not too sure about cor, but where is BRDs tier 3 elegy, march, mambo, mandrigal? I believe they only got carols with the last update. I'm sure cor is struggling too.

Support jobs just aren't what they used to be, and OMG SMN is a hot mess job. It is really sad lv.70 bps > lvl 90+ ones. Embarrassing.

Whenever I hear someone say their "main" is SMN, or DRK, I just feel so bad for them. Lol, im sure i'm not the only one.

cor and rngs hardly need a fixing.

[tyrantsyn]

Ugh. I'm disgusted.

I'd say "at least we don't have to hear them crying anymore" but the same people crying over such an minimal, but very necessary nerf, will find something else to whine about.

Why are you in here? If you don't want to hear ppl discuss there dislike for the nerf which this thread is for. Go make another thread where you can discuss what a great thing the nerf would be.