More nerfs for War & Ukkos.

[Scribble]

I didn't ignore any questions unless I thought they were rhetorical. Tamoa, you're the queen of semantics because you say "Everyone else is underpowered" and refuse to go along with the fact that Ukon warrior is overpowered. I'm not mad at all. If anyone is mad it's the Ukon warriors, but there isn't any reason to be mad.

To recap:

Warrior gets hit with what is described by warriors as a huge nerf. Testing still puts them in front of other DD after the nerf. Despite this, no one wants to admit that warrior was overpowered and instead we place blame on other jobs for being 'underbalanced'.

Right. Sorted then?

[tyrantsyn]

balance

I'm not saying nerf RNG, I'm am saying this is our reward for the money we pump into this game month after month. It's what we spend all our time questing for the very best in gear. The dev team say it would be too difficult to go the other way. Is it not said "anything worth having isn't easy?"

[Tamoa]

I didn't ignore any questions unless I thought they were rhetorical. Tamoa, you're the queen of semantics because you say "Everyone else is underpowered" and refuse to go along with the fact that Ukon warrior is overpowered. I'm not mad at all. If anyone is mad it's the Ukon warriors, but there isn't any reason to be mad.

To recap:

Warrior gets hit with what is described by warriors as a huge nerf. Testing still puts them in front of other DD after the nerf. Despite this, no one wants to admit that warrior was overpowered and instead we place blame on other jobs for being 'underbalanced'.

Right. Sorted then?

I asked you 2 direct questions:

If your whm was nerfed in the name of balance and lost cure V, how would that make you feel?

and

I asked you what this "content" is that you claim war is overpowered for, you said "endgame", and I asked you what you consider to be endgame in FFXI in 2012.

If you are talking about voidwatch, no war pumps out 5k+ Ukko's Furys constantly on the highest tier nms.

And I'm certainly not placing blame on other jobs for being underbalanced. I'm placing blame on SE for taking the easy way out to balance (how I have grown to loathe that word lately) jobs, balancing down and not up, not caring that they anger a lot of their players (and I'm perfectly aware that it isn't the first time they do that), and not to mention the fact that this ws has been in the game for well over one year before they decide it's "broken". Which it isn't by the way, it was designed to work the way it's currently working.

[Aarahs]

I asked you 2 direct questions:

If your whm was nerfed in the name of balance and lost cure V, how would that make you feel?

I'm curious why you would think this has any relevance to the discussion. War isn't losing Ukon. You're just trying to force a response that isn't related to the issue. How's this: how would you feel if they nerfed cure v by 10% potency so they could give you an armor piece that boost all cure potency by 15%? Oh, and it's also equipable by rdm and sch as well.

[Tamoa]

IHow's this: how would you feel if they nerfed cure v by 10% potency so they could give you an armor piece that boost all cure potency by 15%? Oh, and it's also equipable by rdm and sch as well.

Actually yes, that is a much better question, thank you.

[Scribble]

I'm curious why you would think this has any relevance to the discussion. War isn't losing Ukon. You're just trying to force a response that isn't related to the issue.

There is someone out there who can see what's going on here besides me. Praise Altana...

how would you feel if they nerfed cure v by 10% potency so they could give you an armor piece that boost all cure potency by 15%? Oh, and it's also equipable by rdm and sch as well.

I don't really want to answer the question because it isn't similar to the situation facing warrior, but for the sake of 'that guy never answers direct questions', I will. That said, I'm not quite sure I understand the question anyway.

Nerfing Cure V isn't something that can be made up using gear so I'm not sure why that is part of the equation. There is a cure potency cap already on gear. The cap is 50%...

Arka IV + 24%
Fylgja Torque +3%
Nefer/Heka Kalarsiris(sp) +10~12 or 15% NQ/HQ
Serpentes armor(hands+feet) +5%
Oretania Cape +4%
Augur's gloves +4%
Tatsumaki Sitagoromo(ASA reward) +5%

As you can see, by using the above gear(with extra options for mixing and matching) it is easy for all the jobs you listed to meet that cap so that's a non-issue.

As far as giving RDM and SCH Cure V, it just doesn't make sense.

SCH has access to strong nukes so their ability to both heal, debuff, DoT and nuke doesn't suggest they need stronger healing. If you buffed SCH's healing ability then you'd have to buff WHM's nuking ability. lolbanish

RDM on the other hand needs more utility in the debuff area. They aren't reliable on anything worth a damn and to be honest I don't really think SE thought that one through. They definitely need some love, but Cure V would pigeonhole them into being a WHM substitute instead of giving them an identity of their own.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Ukko's QQ thread...

[FrankReynolds]

A buncha junk

The bottom line is that people quested a weapon, and dumped time and effort and money into getting it because they valued the power that the weapon gave them. SE takes it away on a whim and you say they have no reason to be mad, which is basically saying that their time and effort is not worth anything.

You pretty much assert that its ok to take things from people as long as they will survive the ordeal, and that their feelings don't matter. Which is somewhat expected from a faceless corporation, but that doesn't make you any less of a jerk for cheering it on.

[Scribble]

The bottom line is that people quested a weapon, and dumped time and effort and money into getting it because they valued the power that the weapon gave them. SE takes it away on a whim and you say they have no reason to be mad, which is basically saying that their time and effort is not worth anything.

You keep suggesting that warrior's power has been taken away from them, but you never address the fact that post-nerf, warrior will still be top DD. Why is that any reason to be mad and why do you continue to look past that?

You pretty much assert that its ok to take things from people as long as they will survive the ordeal, and that their feelings don't matter. Which is somewhat expected from a faceless corporation, but that doesn't make you any less of a jerk for cheering it on.

Ordeal? Give me a fucking break. Warrior has always been better than 'surviving' and in fact they've been thriving longer than almost any job I can think of. You keep making it sound as if the job and it's viability will be destroyed by this change. Wake up and smell the imperial coffee.

[FrankReynolds]

You keep suggesting that warrior's power has been taken away from them, but you never address the fact that post-nerf, warrior will still be top DD. Why is that any reason to be mad and why do you continue to look past that?

Because Warriors don't care if you think they are still the best. They want the crap that they worked for to remain intact. I'm willing to bet that if someone mugged you, you would survive. You'd probably even continue to thrive, and be the best at W/E it is that do. Do you think that makes it ok? Do you really, really think that taking things from people is OK as long as they are doing better than you are? at all? It's not.

Ordeal? Give me a fucking break. Warrior has always been better than 'surviving' and in fact they've been thriving longer than almost any job I can think of. You keep making it sound as if the job and it's viability will be destroyed by this change. Wake up and smell the imperial coffee.

Look. If anyone works hard to earn a <insert item here> so that they can perform a job well, and then has it damaged, or weakened after they buy it, they are going to be (quite justifiably) pissed. They don't care if you or someone else, or everyone else thinks that <insert item here> is still great. It is not the same <insert item here> that they worked for. They have been cheated. The fact that doing so doesn't help anyone just adds insult to injury.

[Saiken253]

I would like to quote a very famous quote.... "Variety is the spice of life." War, in this game rather destroys this(and SAM) because they are simply the best DDs. Concurrently, it causes a major flux of people playing those 2 DDs more than others, simply because they outclass them by leaps and bounds. However, I am of like-mindedness to not nerf WAR and MNK and SAM and instead buffing all the other DD. I have 2 of those jobs myself, and I am still irked by the fact that they far outclass many of my other DD classes(many of which are even much better geared).

Seeing this game come out of being FF-SAMWARMNK is something of a dream of mine.