Who ever got six-person parties in the first place?

[Sparthos]

On level 75 it was easy to find an experience party or to build one.

[FrankReynolds]

Or do you mean botting HNMs is "work"?



.... No. Did you even play FFXI before Abyssea came out?

lol This.

I have a friend who had full Adaman set, BB, ridill, dalmy, pretty much everything but D ring. He wasn't even there most of the time. He would leave his bots running, and have his ls mates pass loot, or log him out after. Only requires a few people to actually be present.

[Alhanelem]

14-15 leeches (afk/low level/awful gear)

People that are fighting and are at least high enough to have reasonable accuracy (Atmas and stat boosts mean you can be a fair bit lower than you would have to be outside of abyssea.

I've NEVER met an alliance (except for paid arrangements where one guy is Charged Whiskering or Cleaving clusters of monsters and people are paying like 250k to leech exp on it) where "14-15" people were leeches. A lot of people claim to have this AFK problem, I've yet to be in a party in this update that had more than one or two people AFK at any given time- Most people dont tolerate it and if you're AFK for more than a few minutes without saying something, you usually get kicked. People that are of level and have crap gear are not leeches. They're doing the best they can and/or they are newer and are trying to cap their level before they try to buff up their character. The only people who qualify as leeches are those who are doing nothing to contribute, e.g. people who are AFK.

[FrankReynolds]

People that are fighting and are at least high enough to have reasonable accuracy (Atmas and stat boosts mean you can be a fair bit lower than you would have to be outside of abyssea.

I've NEVER met an alliance (except for paid arrangements where one guy is Charged Whiskering or Cleaving clusters of monsters and people are paying like 250k to leech exp on it) where "14-15" people were leeches. A lot of people claim to have this AFK problem, I've yet to be in a party in this update that had more than one or two people AFK at any given time- Most people dont tolerate it and if you're AFK for more than a few minutes without saying something, you usually get kicked. People that are of level and have crap gear are not leeches. They're doing the best they can and/or they are newer and are trying to cap their level before they try to buff up their character. The only people who qualify as leeches are those who are doing nothing to contribute, e.g. people who are AFK.

This is basically what I have seen too. Worst thing I've run into is new players that don't know better running off and killing the wrong mobs, or not calling for help on murex and elementals.

[Sparthos]

You need to party more.

Heroes EXP in particular becomes a leech cluster where most people are 'wc' near the Tacticians, one person is pulling 5-6 bluffs every once in a while and heads are mysteriously moving to target the Tactician to collect EXP.

YOU ARENT AFK. I CAN SEE YOU MOVE.

[FrankReynolds]

You need to party more.

Heroes EXP in particular becomes a leech cluster where most people are 'wc' near the Tacticians, one person is pulling 5-6 bluffs every once in a while and heads are mysteriously moving to target the Tactician to collect EXP.

YOU ARENT AFK. I CAN SEE YOU MOVE.

I can't stand that camp. I don't see any reason to go there other than to leech. The mobs are too far apart, there's always another party, or a bunch of soloers screwing up pulls, and the mobs die too fast to get any skill-ups.

[Meyi]

I've NEVER met an alliance (except for paid arrangements where one guy is Charged Whiskering or Cleaving clusters of monsters and people are paying like 250k to leech exp on it) where "14-15" people were leeches. A lot of people claim to have this AFK problem, I've yet to be in a party in this update that had more than one or two people AFK at any given time- Most people dont tolerate it and if you're AFK for more than a few minutes without saying something, you usually get kicked. People that are of level and have crap gear are not leeches. They're doing the best they can and/or they are newer and are trying to cap their level before they try to buff up their character. The only people who qualify as leeches are those who are doing nothing to contribute, e.g. people who are AFK.

I disagree. Leech to me is someone who isn't pulling their weight in a group. They can be level 99, have awful pink gear, and still be a leech. If they are there to deal damage and their damage output is low then they are a leech. If they are there to cure and people are dying constantly then they are a leech.

The thing is I don't mind leeches. We all have to start somewhere. And really, how many people go back to parties when they have capped out everything they need capped on a job? So yeah, parties are generally created for people who are still working towards bettering their job and there's nothing wrong with that. As long as people don't think they're amazing players just because they ding 90+ then I'm cool.

[Alhanelem]

You need to party more.

Heroes EXP in particular becomes a leech cluster where most people are 'wc' near the Tacticians, one person is pulling 5-6 bluffs every once in a while and heads are mysteriously moving to target the Tactician to collect EXP.

YOU ARENT AFK. I CAN SEE YOU MOVE.

Actually I refuse to EXP in non-heroes areas, and I don't see this. Sometimes there's one or two person who's "AFK" near the Op NPC for a long time (you can see their head turn when they talk to the NPC if they're not really AFK), but they eventually get kicked if they don't come back / don't start contributing. Most of my parties have gone very well. The only ones that have been really slow, were because a second (or third) group showed up to do the same Ops and making it harder to claim stuff.

[Ravenmore]

I wouldn't use the letting people die, I do that all the time with people that refuse to listen when I tell them not run to far off to solo their own mobs. I also do it to wars that think they can FC when we are not doing a FC and im the only healer or the only whm.

[Cream_Soda]

I disagree. Leech to me is someone who isn't pulling their weight in a group. They can be level 99, have awful pink gear, and still be a leech. If they are there to deal damage and their damage output is low then they are a leech. If they are there to cure and people are dying constantly then they are a leech.

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