Wheres the evidence Abyssea revived FFXI?

[Benihana]

Amen, well said.

Although I agree with Sayomi.. You don't even have a relic/mythic... You're just jumping on the anti-SE bandwagon cause they nerfed your emp after you bought all those heavy metal plates Which you said you were going to use for your ukon. You ain't foolin' NOBODY gworl.

Ever since they did that, you have been spamming the board with bandwagon posts.

exposed: http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Asura/Tamoa

[Catsby]

Final Fantasy XI was all about friendships, and meeting new people while having a great time, why not make trials a bonding experience, not a grinding experience that will lead to much worldwide LS turmoil, drama and many more "player warning" posts, im sick of those days, have we not evolved past the stoneage period of this game? Abyssea was a love-hate thing for me, but what we need honestly is not nerfs we need other jobs boosted, we need to feel like we're 99 not 75+1, we need a new expansion pack with totally new areas not regurgitated old ones, and we need to be able to shoot lasers out of our eyes, thats about it.

Yup,

This is why I feel Abyssea was huge step in the right direction. There were tons of rewards for everyone along the way to an empyrean and the empyrean itself wasn't unreasonably difficult to get. The problems that I saw were people taking advantage of over powered atmas and low manning everything without waiting for their LS.

If the voidwatch system came sooner and the concept of personal loot pools for everyone was plugged into abyssea then it may have been perfect.

[Catsby]

Although I agree with Sayomi.. You don't even have a relic/mythic... You're just jumping on the anti-SE bandwagon cause they nerfed your emp after you bought all those heavy metal plates >.>, qhich you said you were going to use for your ukon on BG.

Ever since they did they you have been spamming the board with bandwagon posts.

exposed: http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Asura/Tamoa

No idea what you're talking about but I think you need some perspective. Are heavy metal plate trials honestly reasonable? Honestly?

[Benihana]

No idea what you're talking about but I think you need some perspective. Are heavy metal plate trials honestly reasonable? Honestly?

OMG are we gonna goto HMP now? Again, DONTCURR. My emp is lv.90 and it's staying lv90. I'm happy with that and I don't have the time or care enough to get a 95 emp. I love my emp and even tho i agree with u and sayomi, i still don't care enough to quit the game or my main job cause I dont have the time to get an upgrade.

Do you have a reason to be upset? Yes. I already said I hope people get the trials changed, and good luck. My only argument was that it's simply bs to state abyssea revived XI. It's just as much bs as Abyssea killed XI. The game has been steadily declining and abyssea only cause both, a sever decline and a big increase in subscriptions. People saying if the game had stayed where it was, it would be dead, are delusional.

For people saying their and their friends experiences are "proof" abyssea revived xi, or that my "likes" are evidence or the amount of replies, in a thread, on this forum are indication of anything: again delusional. I covered this in the OP post, theres also evidence, actual numbers to suggest the complete opposite. I know i cant be the only one who keeps an eye on the active player list on xiah. And SE made damn sure to keep that info out of the census, which was taken during abysseas reign. durr durr.

It wouldn't have been any worse or better than all the people who quit/came back because/for abyssea. Only reason you don't hear from them is that they don't waste their time on things they don't enjoy and have moved on. That was my only argument.

You guys are clinging to a game you sound like you hate. Getting mad at every little fix or adjustment.Some aren't even in game... I can't take some of you seriously and neither can SE.

[Catsby]

OMG are we gonna goto HMP now? Again, DONTCURR. My emp is lv.90 and it's staying lv90... cause I dont have the time to get an upgrade.

Then I ask you, Why do you need to turn in a billion items to get a marginal upgrade on something you already put in a ton of time for?

If your answer is something like "because it's the best of the best" then that's what I'm trying to say is a loss of perspective. You already put in the time. I already put in the time. Many of us (myself included) assumed that once we got through that point future upgrades would be trials that multiple people could complete together. Instead we have this cut throat take everyone's things bullshit from 6 years ago. Then one or two mouthy people come here and say that's the way it should be since it's more "hardcore". Fuck that.

Do you have a reason to be upset? Yes. I already said I hope people get the trials changed, and good luck. My only argument was that it's simply bs to state abyssea revived XI. It's just as much bs as Abyssea killed XI. The game has been steadily declining and abyssea only cause both, a sever decline and a big increase in subscriptions. People saying if the game had stayed where it was, it would be dead are delusional.

I'm willing to bet it has more to do with FFXI having a skeleton dev crew, a huge natural disaster, SE's pride, and last gen development methodologies than abyssea.

It wouldn't have been any worse or better than all the people who quit/came back because/for abyssea. Only reason you don't hear from them is that they don't waste their time on things they don't enjoy and have moved on. That was my only argument.

Because they quit when they realized the game was a rat race instead of a game. It became more of a game during Abyssea and now it's devolving back into a rat race. That's why people are pissed and leaving. That's why I might quit too.

[Benihana]

A lot of the members on this forum have this "because I don't like it, no one does or because I care, everyone does, because i'm mad, everyone is upset" mentality.

Fact check, 2k people online when i was last on yesterday in NA time... How many of them do you think care or are quitting because of a nonexistant (atm) trial or a nerf to some emps to overpowered jobs?

Again: "NO1 CURR GWORL"

This game is not going to die because and if SE decides to go back to ALA 2005 ffxi. Sure, we might get another server merge and people will quit, but people have ALWAYS been quitting and abyssea didnt change or put a bandaid on that. People will do the same thing we've always done with a freakin VIDEO GAME: enjoy the content We enjoy doing. The rest of you can .. well.. idk... BYE!

You can be sure people will come back to ffxi too. FFXI is an mmo that's being revamped. Possible new expansions, new endgame events, new notorious monsters, new areas to explore. Ain't nobody worried about that ukon war or that yagrush whm who spends all her time taking zeni pics. Especially since se already said new znm are on the way.. WHICH might drop more of the items needed. . . . . . .

The 500/1k item trial is only unreasonable to me if it only drops from PW and Arch DL. And since the trial is neither finalized NOR implemented in game.. Its just as possible the drops could be added to other monsters, as it is that they would require us to gather 500/1k of them.

[Tamoa]

Although I agree with Sayomi.. You don't even have a relic/mythic... You're just jumping on the anti-SE bandwagon cause they nerfed your emp after you bought all those heavy metal plates Which you said you were going to use for your ukon. You ain't foolin' NOBODY gworl.

Ever since they did that, you have been spamming the board with bandwagon posts.

exposed: http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Asura/Tamoa

Oh noes, you exposed me. As if I was ever trying to hide?

Of course I'm upset that SE has decided to nerf Ukko's Fury. I would have been upset even if I hadn't decided to upgrade my Ukonvasara to 95, the fact that I have been buying heavy metal plates has very little - if anything at all - to do with it. I don't give 2 farts about gil, it's make believe money, it's not real, I couldn't care less if I waste Vana'diel currency at all. In that case I would have been raging and screaming blue murder that salvage gear was made obsolete (hi2u 16ish mil for Ares's Cuirass), or that Dusk Gloves +1 has been replaced (hi2u paying 28mil for a pair). Guess what? I'm still going to finish my Ukon too.

When relic trials were introduced, I thought they were inhuman. Then SE went and adjusted them, and I really felt bad for all the relic owners that had already spent hours and hours finishing their trials. I've always felt bad for anyone seriously attempting a mythic, and admiration for anyone who's finished one. I will most certainly feel bad for both relic and mythic owners if the final trials for both turns out to be drops from Arch DL and PW.

I don't have a mythic, no - because I always thought the requirements to obtain one were ridiculous, and none of the mythic weapons were even remotely interesting to me. I don't have a relic, no - I did start on Bravura a couple of years ago but eventually decided against it, I wasn't interested in spending that amount of time and gil to obtain that or any other relic for that matter.

Oh and PLEASE show me where and how I have been "spamming the board with bandwagon posts" regarding the war nerf. Unless you count making ONE SINGLE POST about it as spamming? One. Single. Post. Feel free to check my profile/posts for yourself.

[Benihana]

Oh noes, you exposed me. As if I was ever trying to hide?

Of course I'm upset that SE has decided to nerf Ukko's Fury. I would have been upset even if I hadn't decided to upgrade my Ukonvasara to 95, the fact that I have been buying heavy metal plates has very little - if anything at all - to do with it. I don't give 2 farts about gil, it's make believe money, it's not real, I couldn't care less if I waste Vana'diel currency at all. In that case I would have been raging and screaming blue murder that salvage gear was made obsolete (hi2u 16ish mil for Ares's Cuirass), or that Dusk Gloves +1 has been replaced (hi2u paying 28mil for a pair). Guess what? I'm still going to finish my Ukon too.

When relic trials were introduced, I thought they were inhuman. Then SE went and adjusted them, and I really felt bad for all the relic owners that had already spent hours and hours finishing their trials. I've always felt bad for anyone seriously attempting a mythic, and admiration for anyone who's finished one. I will most certainly feel bad for both relic and mythic owners if the final trials for both turns out to be drops from Arch DL and PW.

I don't have a mythic, no - because I always thought the requirements to obtain one were ridiculous, and none of the mythic weapons were even remotely interesting to me. I don't have a relic, no - I did start on Bravura a couple of years ago but eventually decided against it, I wasn't interested in spending that amount of time and gil to obtain that or any other relic for that matter.

Oh and PLEASE show me where and how I have been "spamming the board with bandwagon posts" regarding the war nerf. Unless you count making ONE SINGLE POST about it as spamming? One. Single. Post. Feel free to check my profile/posts for yourself.

Yeah and this trial is make believe too. But I guess that went right over your head.. Even after they said it's not official.

You care more about something that's not in game yet and has no effect on you than your own gil? Hmmm.. idk gurl.. That sounds kinda strange.

[Tamoa]

Yeah and this trial is make believe too. But I guess that went right over your head.. Even after they said it's not official.

Spending countless of hours to finish a trial isn't make believe.

You care more about something that's not in game yet and has no effect on you than your own gil? Hmmm.. idk gurl.. That sounds kinda strange.

I care because I have a lot of friends with relics (and some with mythics). I kinda want them to keep playing, you know? And I would like to see them finish their relics and mythics too, you know? Does that make some kind of sense to you at all?

[zagam]

OP you have some points I agree with but you talk just like the people your complaining about. I agree, players like runespider really should quit, or at least quit posting with a tinfoil hat. No company would ever listen to comments when there presented like the majority of the threads started here.

Unfortunately your question could never be answered even with official stats. Abyssea exemplified the whm sock account which by all stat purposes is either an account that was deleted and restarted or a new one created all together which only favors abyssea creating more then loosing.

But just from personal experiences abyssea has in fact been the era of people quitting. It seems that the word balance is being the new bandwagon meme for hating on FFXI but really that's what this game needs. The old school game was on an extreme end and abyssea was on another. I never touched HNM for all the reasons people posted but I still found myself always busy with the other things the game offered. When abyssea came and crapped on the time sinks that kept people going for so long, a lot of friends just got bored. When VW is fully complete and the rest of the new endgame is out I hope they take both aspects of old school and new school. I don't want to log in and finnish everything I need in a few months but I dont want to take 4 years either. H2U valor surcoat.