More nerfs for War & Ukkos.

[Tagrineth]

Have you ever even done Voidwatch? I'm leaning towards no because you have no idea what you're talking about unless you're talking about some other event with sturdy high-level NMs. Oh, that's right there is no such thing in the game at this time. Go ahead and invite only WARs to Voidwatch. That's a quick way to get no procs, and we all know how shitty Voidwatch drop rate is even with procs. Let's just nerf the hell out of all our DD's so no one feels inferior to anyone, so that way we can kill NMs at a snails pace. Now we have a shitty drop rate combined with a shitty kill speed. That sounds pretty promising to me.

I've been to plenty of high-tier Voidwatch fights where we had 3-4 Ukonvasara WARs and killed with capped lights in under 5 minutes, 4 stones in a row. Just have to have a remote fucking clue which jobs to bring (e.g. don't bring MNK or THF). Watching Pil or Kaggen go down in 3 minutes with capped lights is complete bullshit and should not be possible, but it IS with the current power level of Ukonvasara.

[Originalkord]

If WAR is/was/will always be the top DD job then why invite anything else unless your target is melee resistant? In those cases DRK/SAM/DRG are all equally worthless so why not make them closer to the same performance by equally skilled and geared players?

Lol. Not everything can be the best, that really would make for one hell of a pointless game. SOME things need to be better than other things. If you're going to have DD's spread across a range of 8 classes they ALL need to be better at something, otherwise your difference is aesthetics. If all things are going to be equal then whats the point of anyone leveling anything different at all?

There is nothing wrong with WAR being the top DD. There is nothing wrong with SAM being able to make skillchains with just about any job combination and WS (with moderately powered damage) at will. Wouldn't it be cool if DRK was a little less powerful than a WAR, but could close the gap by having some kind of worthwhile upgrade to magic attack?

Things like that don't exist anymore, and THAT is the problem. So to everyone's argument--YES, I am not disagreeing with anyone when you tell me that today, there is no reason to invite anything other than WAR. But think about it, when is the last time they forced you to NEED a certain job anyway(outside of the weakness staggering BS)? Remember when you fought Fafnir and your lives were made infinitely better when you had competent melee that could skill chain and BLMs that could magic burst? Or how about when you had to KITE to kill KB? Then there was Odin where you needed specific parties with specific jobs with specific roles in order to not fail.

They broke up that sort of thing. By doing that, they also broke up traditional linkshells. I remember when linkshells RECRUITED for specific jobs. Ever have to fill out an application and get denied for lack of versatility? You ran with an LS and you had a place to participate in an event because you were recruited for your ability to play a specific job with a somewhat decent level of skill (in theory). Now everything is shouts. Shout groups have limited space, and yes, some people will be left out simply because there is a maximum of 18 spaces.

They made EVERYTHING beatable via zerg. Stop blaming the players who followed the path that was laid out for them. Develop content that can't be beatable by zerging and you already have more balance than you did before.

[Originalkord]

I've been to plenty of high-tier Voidwatch fights where we had 3-4 Ukonvasara WARs and killed with capped lights in under 5 minutes, 4 stones in a row. Just have to have a remote fucking clue which jobs to bring (e.g. don't bring MNK or THF). Watching Pil or Kaggen go down in 3 minutes with capped lights is complete bullshit and should not be possible, but it IS with the current power level of Ukonvasara.

<---- Still finds it ironic that you bash the hell out of WARs and Ukons while you tout your (Ukon-less) WAR's ability to rape and Ukon progress on your FFXIAH page.

I suspect by me drawing attention to that it will be down in a matter of minutes.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I've been to plenty of high-tier Voidwatch fights where we had 3-4 Ukonvasara WARs and killed with capped lights in under 5 minutes, 4 stones in a row. Just have to have a remote fucking clue which jobs to bring (e.g. don't bring MNK or THF). Watching Pil or Kaggen go down in 3 minutes with capped lights is complete bullshit and should not be possible, but it IS with the current power level of Ukonvasara.

That has less to do with War and more to do with how easy SE made VW with temps staggers and now white proc.

You can still get screwed on procs depending on setup.

[Originalkord]

That has less to do with War and more to do with how easy SE made VW with temps staggers and now white proc.

You can still get screwed on procs depending on setup.

I've gone without MNK and without THF...White was H2H...and not Spinning. Boned.

[Tagrineth]

<---- Still finds it ironic that you bash the hell out of WARs and Ukons while you tout your (Ukon-less) WAR's ability to rape and Ukon progress on your FFXIAH page.

Who's bashing? I'm stating facts. Ukon WAR is overpowered. My enjoyment of the job and progress toward Ukon has nothing to do with that... I started working on it before I even saw the damage Ukko's Fury deals. Giant hammers are fucking awesome. :3 And at the time I last updated my ffxiah item sets, my WAR was pretty close to being as good as you could get it without (to me) fairly expensive pieces like Grim+1. I usually don't spend more than about 1mil on any one slot because there's usually a more efficient alternative that allows the money to improve another slot anyway...

I suspect by me drawing attention to that it will be down in a matter of minutes.

If anything I need to update a few slots, thanks for the reminder. Haven't touched my ffxiah item sets in many months.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Ukon war is overpowered, okay, and Conqueror which is arguably just as good if not better in VW since you can fulltime AM and get Oa2-3 procs on WS is okay?

Actually now with new WS I'd argue Koga Sam is better than Ukko War. Well I suppose this means mythics are fixed at least for one event then.

[Tagrineth]

Sadly our prime example of a Conqueror WAR on Quetz is a huge disappointment.

[Originalkord]

Who's bashing? I'm stating facts. Ukon WAR is overpowered. My enjoyment of the job and progress toward Ukon has nothing to do with that... I started working on it before I even saw the damage Ukko's Fury deals. Giant hammers are fucking awesome. :3 And at the time I last updated my ffxiah item sets, my WAR was pretty close to being as good as you could get it without (to me) fairly expensive pieces like Grim+1. I usually don't spend more than about 1mil on any one slot because there's usually a more efficient alternative that allows the money to improve another slot anyway...

And thats the whole fun in the WAR job--ridiculously BIG WS numbers. Outside of that, whats the fun factor that draws people in? Its not THAT much fun to press a button when you see a number hit 100+...If you can find that to be sustainable fun then I wish I was so easily amused.

At least with other DD you get somewhat cool JA's. You can try to stack self SC's on SAM, see how close you can come to killing yourself with Souleater/LR on DRK...hell, you can even jump yourself to crazy TP on DRG now.

WAR does nothing cool like that...you'll get the occasional full buff sekkanoki, but even then your payoff is just to see what number you'll get. WAR does "make thing dead with big numbers."

[Tagrineth]

And thats the whole fun in the WAR job--ridiculously BIG WS numbers. Outside of that, whats the fun factor that draws people in? Its not THAT much fun to press a button when you see a number hit 100+...If you can find that to be sustainable fun then I wish I was so easily amused.

At least with other DD you get somewhat cool JA's. You can try to stack self SC's on SAM, see how close you can come to killing yourself with Souleater/LR on DRK...hell, you can even jump yourself to crazy TP on DRG now.

WAR does nothing cool like that...you'll get the occasional full buff sekkanoki, but even then your payoff is just to see what number you'll get. WAR does "make thing dead with big numbers."

Well yeah but I figured even back then that Ukko would be reasonably more powerful than Raging Rush. Which it still is! It just doesn't radically out-strip every other DD's capabilities now, which it shouldn't have in the first place.

That and the animation is badass.