[dev1064] Job Adjustments: Weapon Skills

[FrankReynolds]

There's this little thing we adults use sometimes called sarcasm, its like a funny way of saying things will be okay when used in that context.

I caught the sarcasm. I also caught that it was an attempt to distract from your lack of any actual argument and that the reason you keep using it is because you are wrong. You came in here to tell everyone that they don't deserve what they have, and that you are glad that some of it is being taken away. All the sarcasm in the world isn't gonna fix that. SE should be looking at adding all the features and tweaks they claimed to have in the pipe instead of worrying about nerfing jobs. The current power of war monk sam w/e isn't allowing players to beat anything that they couldn't beat without them. There is still plenty of time for them to gear new events / updates toward powerful jobs, instead of gearing jobs towards the event.

Nerfing jobs takes away from peoples enjoyment who play those jobs. It doesn't actually make any other job any better, and it doesn't make anything in the game any harder. There's nothing in the game right now where winning hinges on the things they are messing with. They could easily scale difficulty of new content to fit the current power level of war etc. without nerfing it.

[kingfury]

So feedback... uhh... No Thanks. Bad idea. Try something better. Add more damaging power to other weak weapon skills instead. Don't move forward with this bad idea. Have another meeting and suggest something more intuitive. Stop trying to make the player's abilities/weapon skills weaker instead of stronger for LVL friggin 99.... Aaannnndd, I think that about covers it... Yeah.

Thank you.

[Morier]

Please make your point instead of trolling else if you are a troll God bless and keep looking like an idiot. I don't know where you get off thinking a relic is hard. But then again there are people who think empyreans are serious business to get too.

I never said it was hard at all. Blind speculation and assumptions are fun.Where is your relic again?

[Staren]

Where's your lvl 100 woodworking or unlocked synergy? I mean if we're going to make random arguments I don't have a relic, if I needed one I'd make one in a month or two. I'm done feeding the troll though you can keep fixating on this but if you cant see the fact that farming 300 million gil is just as much as making 2 relics I can't help you. It's easy to make blind speculations about you when you're unable to hold discourse and are a broken record I'd not be surprised if you're still in high school and have nothing better to do with your life. Also I'll point out you've still managed to avoid making any point to validate your existence in this thread.

[Rohelius]

I caught the sarcasm. I also caught that it was an attempt to distract from your lack of any actual argument and that the reason you keep using it is because you are wrong.

The argument is that it's a minor nerf that wont change much what war can do. And like i said before, If you had warrior invested half as much as a main warrior maybe you would know this by now. get it?

You came in here to tell everyone that they don't deserve what they have, and that you are glad that some of it is being taken away.

I said they don't deserve what they have? When did i say that? Please don't start putting words into my mouth just to justify your own misplaced sense of self righteousness towards the nerfing issue.

1- I said it wont affect warrior a whole lot, get that thru your thick head already...

2- I also said to those who keep asking the community to be behind them to stop being hypocrites (why?) because they never complained about the other jobs nerfs and lack of balance with them until the nerf bat hit them.

All the sarcasm in the world isn't gonna fix that.

Oh i don't know about that, at first i thought the sky was falling like you. But then i read how the nerf was gonna affect my warrior job ability that is only up for 30 seconds and i let out a sigh of relief since Ukkos is not gonna suddenly become useless and do 2k dmg only.

SE should be looking at adding all the features and tweaks they claimed to have in the pipe instead of worrying about nerfing jobs.

Yes they should, but those things they said they would add still wouldn't make them come close to the warrior and monk output, Its not like they read the forums and say "hey that's a good idea lets give everyone what they ask for on their respective job forums that will bring balance!.

The current power of war monk sam w/e isn't allowing players to beat anything that they couldn't beat without them.

Wait you have been to Abyssea right?

Warrior = Procs for Zone Boss pop KI, Empyrian weapon NM pop KI, Atmas that's not in demand right?
Warrior will still be needed for all of the above no matter what little nerf it gets, and will duo it all with a whm still!

Monk= Give me a DPS and my monk can destroy it, simple as that. VS i hate to see nerffed really because as monk i haven't seen many things come our way other then our DPS and a 2hr that kicks ass lvl 1-99.

There is still plenty of time for them to gear new events / updates toward powerful jobs, instead of gearing jobs towards the event.

I'm going to quote someone else in a past comment "I don't want to play Warrior and monk Fantasy 11..."

Nerfing jobs takes away from peoples enjoyment who play those jobs.

Cpt. Obvious strikes again! Yes, it does i agree but it was to be expected just like EVERYONE knew the haste cap was gonna be nerffed for the Dark Knights 30 seconds of fame, If they go back on this then dammit i want my 93.3% haste back. Would you support me on that too?

It doesn't actually make any other job any better

Cpt. Obvious!

and it doesn't make anything in the game any harder.

That's what i have been trying to tell you...........................................................................

They could easily scale difficulty of new content to fit the current power level of war etc. without nerfing it.

Yeah they could do that if they wanted to force everyone to take warrior to every event as opposed to idk every other DD in the game.....

[Kimble]

Actually, if you are getting any kind of haste, Hundred fists is very lack luster.

[Vold]

You know everytime I think of the latest nerf whether it be merit WSs or Empyrean WSs or restraint or blood rage or other JAs or VW or VW drop rates or lv95/99 requirements for weapons and so on, I can't help but think that if they knew they could get away with it without a massive exodus of players, they'd probably include this video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ with each announcement and like probably half of you already know what you're going to see by clicking that link but that's okay because you and the other 50% will agree that yeah, yeah what I'm saying is pretty flipping true.

[FrankReynolds]

The argument is that it's a minor nerf that wont change much what war can do. And like i said before, If you had warrior invested half as much as a main warrior maybe you would know this by now. get it?

Wrong. It won't change what players can do. It will change what war can do. The same can be said of you though. If they remove you from the game, Everyone else can still beat all the new VNMs, so I guess it's cool if they remove you right? Sounds good.

I said they don't deserve what they have? When did i say that? Please don't start putting words into my mouth just to justify your own misplaced sense of self righteousness towards the nerfing issue.

Hmmm, this sounds a lot like a bitter guy who thinks other people shouldn't have his toys:

so here's that same bad taste in your mouth deal with it like drks did because guess what? They didn't quit because they actually love the job for being that job not because its the new easy
button in everything.

1- I said it wont affect warrior a whole lot, get that thru your thick head already...

Since it won't affect them a whole lot, I guess the point is just to piss them off?

2- I also said to those who keep asking the community to be behind them to stop being hypocrites (why?) because they never complained about the other jobs nerfs and lack of balance with them until the nerf bat hit them.

You've been following me since 2005 and checking up on my opinions of previous nerfs? I feel so flattered. Oh wait, you were just venting your misguided rage on unsuspecting bystanders. I'm sorry you felt all alone like nobody cared when other jobs got nerfed. Trust me. Lots of people didn't like it.

Oh i don't know about that, at first i thought the sky was falling like you. But then i read how the nerf was gonna affect my warrior job ability that is only up for 30 seconds and i let out a sigh of relief since Ukkos is not gonna suddenly become useless and do 2k dmg only.

Yes, you went: "wait this is more of a nerf to my party than me? ok it's fine.". This is either a nerf that will limit the damage and affect warriors performance to the point that it will be a benefit to other jobs, or it is not a nerf at all and thus should not be done at all. make up your mind. You keep saying people are crying over nothing, but really it's one of two things.

A) this nerf doesn't do much, and therefore shouldn't be done.
B) this nerf changes a lot, and therefore is in fact a very bad thing for the people it affects.

In either case, its not going to change other peoples enjoyment of the game. Only people who play war monk and pup, so advocating it is really just announcing your intentions to be a jerk.

Yes they should, but those things they said they would add still wouldn't make them come close to the warrior and monk output, Its not like they read the forums and say "hey that's a good idea lets give everyone what they ask for on their respective job forums that will bring balance!.

Other jobs have other reasons to be included in things. War is a DD. They should be making content that requires more than just war. not nerfing war.

Wait you have been to Abyssea right?

Warrior = Procs for Zone Boss pop KI, Empyrian weapon NM pop KI, Atmas that's not in demand right?
Warrior will still be needed for all of the above no matter what little nerf it gets, and will duo it all with a whm still!

Monk= Give me a DPS and my monk can destroy it, simple as that. VS i hate to see nerffed really because as monk i haven't seen many things come our way other then our DPS and a 2hr that kicks ass lvl 1-99.

You obviously misunderstood that. I can do all of those things without a war or a monk. By nerfing war and monk, I can stiill do all that crap, just with crappier wars and monks. who does that help?

I'm going to quote someone else in a past comment "I don't want to play Warrior and monk Fantasy 11..."

The only way that there will ever be more than a couple popular jobs is if they diversify content so that it requires different jobs for different events, and each event has equal work / reward values, and the gear from each event is equally necessary. As long as the best gear comes from voidwatch, the job that does the best damage will always be the most popular. Making war and monk suck would just turn it into sam fantasy or w/e job is best after they nerf that (they won't).

Cpt. Obvious strikes again! Yes, it does i agree but it was to be expected just like EVERYONE knew the haste cap was gonna be nerffed for the Dark Knights 30 seconds of fame, If they go back on this then dammit i want my 93.3% haste back. Would you support me on that too?

I don't know if they could actually remove the haste cap again with the current spells and gear in the game. But they certainly could have made a change that gave a similar boost in damage. I would love to see dark do better. dark used to be a really cool job, and it has lost some of it's appeal for me lately. It could use some love.

Cpt. Obvious!


That's what i have been trying to tell you...........................................................................

Again, you seem to agree that a nerf is pointless, but you insist that your not just advocating it to be a dick.

Yeah they could do that if they wanted to force everyone to take warrior to every event as opposed to idk every other DD in the game.....

Or they could give other DDS other reasons for being there, like abilities that help them and the war do more damage, or keep others from getting raped, who knows. Its not my job to think of that crap. I pay them to think of it. Which is why I'm pissed when they throw up their hands and go "Aw screw it, I got nothing. Lets just nerf war and go get some sake.".

On a side note, How do I hide portions of a post? I hate when a post takes a whole page.

[Rohelius]

Your post needs some editing and you're being repetitive now...

That's it i'm done with you and your useless nonsense so take the next 3 pages to post what ever you want in response to me because i am not coming back to read it.
There is no point to talking to someone about a job he apparently doesn't know about.
Go level warrior or just go back to the THF forums and QQ some more about DNC out damaging you...

Oh and have a nice life MR. Crab cakes~

[Nala]

That's it i'm done with you and your useless nonsense so take the next 3 pages to post what ever you want in response to me because i am not coming back to read it.

You already said this once before, yet here you are still.

here's the thing, no one else is getting cure V, lolrdm melee, sweet tier IV nu... nvm, everything resists enfeebles and oh btw whm you can have addle while we're at it.

mean while drk's getting scarlet delirium (yeah think the devs were delirious when they thought this one up) and despite the requests for better scythe ws's hello entropy!~

Thf has a whole slew of job abilities that dont really do anything any more, and they've invalidated thier own argument for giving thief subtle blow on the premise that TH is OP, maybe if it boosted lights beyond the cap including the cell bonus not that capping lights has proven to do much for VW drop rates in the first place.

DNC a job severly limited by tp gain and should not have to share timers on all their healing waltz's

hell the emity system still hasnt been touched since level 75 yet due to new abilities, gear, weapon skills and higher levels we have damage inflation... oh wait i got the solution lets "balance" everything so that we do the same damage we did at 75, emity problem solved (for gods sake please dont)

oh hey they finally added new bullets, guess what cor got shafted, the second they finally get around to those salvage gear upgrades O. ingots are going to inflate again. (they are still going to do this right its been how long since they said they would? not to mention they seem to be back pedaling on alot of their promises lately)

point is there are alot of things that need to be "balanced" before they go about nerfing over powered jobs, further more back during the 75 days once they wielded the nerf kraken club (occationally only nerfs once) they get on a roll.

with the recent announcement that abyssea was a epic fail (from dev team stand point) you can expect that they are going to start rolling back alot of things added since. aka your f'n retarded for encouraging them.