More nerfs for War & Ukkos.

[Taint2]

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Posted this in the Shoha thread.

[Theytak]

If Shoha needs to be nerfed, that's a totally separate issue from whether Vsmite and Ukko's need to be nerfed.

wasn't even talking about shoha. The fact that any DD will generally lose to an evenly geared sam, outside of lolabyssea and ukkowar/veremnk has been pretty much standard since the 2h update. The fact that a sam that's noticeably less well geared can compete with them only adds insult to injury.

[Hextitan]

You haven't been paying attention to SE nerfs lately have you?

You didn't pay attention to the last line of my post, did you?

They would have to nerf Ukko's above and beyond any WS nerf the game has ever seen, for SAMs to be close to touching it. Which is assuming a lot considering we know nothing about the nerf so far.

[Hextitan]

compare sam to any DD that isn't a well geared ukkowar/veremnk, and sam completely destroys them every day of the week and twice on sunday....

Why would we compare them to WAR and MNKs that aren't well geared? So basically you're saying when the odds are tipped in SAM's favor, they outdamage other lesser equipped jobs. Ok....and?

[Hextitan]

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Posted this in the Shoha thread.

I think people missed this post, so I'm going to quote it.

Multiple 5k VS and Ukko's on various high tier VWNMs. If you people think Shoha is close to that, you're insane. Like I said SE would have to completely cripple both WSs for SAM to compete with either.

I understand people are upset with the nerf but throwing SAM under the bus ain't helping anything.

[Theytak]

Why would we compare them to WAR and MNKs that aren't well geared? So basically you're saying when the odds are tipped in SAM's favor, they outdamage other lesser equipped jobs. Ok....and?

.........do you really need me to spell out the rather obvious meaning of my words? I thought it was rather obvious that I meant "any dd and a sam, when equally well geared, outside of ukkowars and vere mnks, will lose". I didn't say compare a perle war to a fudo sam.... I meant like, full AF3+2 war w/o ukko vs AF3+2 mnk w/o vere vs AF3+2 sam w/o fudo (by af3+2 I mean gear quality for someone who has completed abyssea, not some wackadoodle who thinks 5/5 AF3+2 isthe only good TP set), or perle war vs perle sam vs pink mnk, or pimped out 75 gear war vs pimped out 75 gear mnk vs pimped out 75 gear sam

...do I really need to dumb down my posts that much for people to understand them?

[Halycon]

Complete and utter BS...

[Siiri]

I agree War and Ukko are overpowered. I also believe Tachi: Shoha and SAM need a reduction.

[svengalis]

I remember the first time I quit, a big part of it was the rng nerf. I am nin main now so I doubt they will get any nerfs.

[Neisan_Quetz]

You didn't pay attention to the last line of my post, did you?

They would have to nerf Ukko's above and beyond any WS nerf the game has ever seen, for SAMs to be close to touching it. Which is assuming a lot considering we know nothing about the nerf so far.

Yea, and when SE said they were going to reduce restraint and 'take it slow', they halved the cap and slope it increases ws damage.

SE doesn't do slight nerfs.