Phoenix The Terrestrial Avatar Of Life.

[jeffanddane]

Wouldnt it be a cool idea to obtain pheonix in wotg before tenzen locked her in his blade ?

[Saiken253]

Well, since WotG is supposedly both the past and an alternate reality, it would still work out in the "normal time"!

Tenzen is such a womanizer! The above post is a great example!

[Myrrh]

How about no on the Pheonix and we get a real Avatar? You know what we don't need at 99? More crappy Light Bps and a stupid (re)raisga. If you're dying so much that you even need to use something like that then having it won't help whatsoever.

[Saiken253]

it's not just (re)raisega~ Phoenix will basically be a more magically inclined version of Ifrit with more enfeebling and enhancing with her(enfeeb/enhances that we don't have already, or more potent versions or something). Cause let's face it, who uses ifrit all that much? :<

Plus, this could bee a way to help with our damage as well(seeing as Phoenix is a "higher grade avatar" of sorts). Using better formulas for her specifically simply because she's who she is(an avatar that rivals Bahamut in power).

Cait sith will only be a disappointment, I can see it :<

[Divinechild]

Why do people keep referring to pheonix as a light avatar?? Does no one know mythology?

Wikipedia: The phoenix or phenix (Greek: Φοίνιξ Greek pronunciation: [ˈfiniks], is a mythical sacred FIREBIRD that can be found in the mythologies of the Arabian, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Chinese, Indian and (according to Sanchuniathon) Phoenicians.

In previous Final fantasy games such as 7 and 8 pheonix is also fire, which is Final fantasy mythology.
In FF11 pheonix is given the color red, the light she gives off is red ( I.E the flames that come from the katana)

Ffxiclopedia: Tenzen has the Phoenix Blade, which contains the Flames of resurrection--Phoenix's life essence. She is believed to be worshiped in the Far East.

It just so happens she has the power to reraise after death,and some of her move have a reraise effect on others. She's not supposed to be a light avatar. (Example Only) how titan merited BP Geocrush has an aditional effect of stun even though stun is a thunder type move.

[Psxpert2011]

What don't you like about it the quest? or the Quest Progression.
What do you like the most about phoenix? I see alot of potential for her Especially for endgame.

Phoenix should be a multi-quest accomplishment like some odd little rewards we used to obtain...the only difference with this is, smns will be over-powered and loved forever! XD

ehh.. i'm a bit iffy about the quest, i mean in CoP Tenzen had to sacrifice like.. half a country or something to summon phoenix, did he not know he could just chuck a feather into a rock? lol

a while ago i thought it would be cool if rather than summoning phoenix they could have given smn the ability to summon Tenzen's GK (like the bound weapons summoners have in oblivion) and given it a special weapon skill like the one Tenzen used on the airship fight give it something like an auto-reraise aftermath which duration varies with tp, make it a fire ele weaponskill acc based on our summoning skill, or something like that

That's why the quest seems too irrelevant and unreasonable. I don't think we can challenge something that has passed away although there's legends of Phoenix bloodlines which (pass down their power) are the emphesis of rebirth and life( I really didn't know how to word it). Summoners don't really use the celestial being anyways, they summon a portion of their power from the realm which they dwell(whether living or dead/asleep).

I heard many stories of the Phoenix, they're usually female of their breed/race... They're A-sexual and need no partner to breed. They lay their egg to pass down their power and bloodline and live for thousands of years. Their species( as rare as you can imagine) are born from a nest of the deepest fire, under extreme heat and pressure. Many legends are made for the Phoenix, SE can just make up anything they like.

LOLOL if anyone bothered to actually pay attention to the storyline of abyssea, Shinryu absorbed Selh'tues which means he also absorbed the remaining energy of Phoenix.

Seriously... plot devices.... gawd people should read books. Yeah yeah I know, completely irrelevant to the game...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>S P O I L E R S ! ! ! ! ! !<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Haven't completed anything yet, thanks alot =P

[Myrrh]

Spoilers, Darth Vader is Lukes Father since I'm guessing you haven't seen that either.

[Saiken253]

I also agree on this part. We don't fully summon the avatars; we summon a portion of them. Also they can give us their power whilst dormant/dead because they transcend the confines of us mere mortals. In fact, many of the avatars are dead if you read their lore. Fenrir was dead and he was supposed to be the avatar that saved all of Windurst. Shiva was once an elvaan(i'm assuming simply because of how she looks) Queen that died in her exile after being betrayed by her uncle. Leviathan was killed by himself(the lore explains it!), and so on.

And phoenix is much more powerful then them. SE is just being lazy and not wanting to completely design a good avatar(and they are probably afraid that she would replace Ifrit, which she will).

Anyone saying that we can't have Phoenix because she's "dead" or that Selt'heus has absorbed her aren't thinking of the possibilities of what the avatars are capable of. They have so many loopholes to be able to implement her.

Again, SE is lazy. They probably want to gut this game too haha

[Dreamin]

I also agree on this part. We don't fully summon the avatars; we summon a portion of them. Also they can give us their power whilst dormant/dead because they transcend the confines of us mere mortals. In fact, many of the avatars are dead if you read their lore. Fenrir was dead and he was supposed to be the avatar that saved all of Windurst. Shiva was once an elvaan(i'm assuming simply because of how she looks) Queen that died in her exile after being betrayed by her uncle. Leviathan was killed by himself(the lore explains it!), and so on.

And phoenix is much more powerful then them. SE is just being lazy and not wanting to completely design a good avatar(and they are probably afraid that she would replace Ifrit, which she will).

Anyone saying that we can't have Phoenix because she's "dead" or that Selt'heus has absorbed her aren't thinking of the possibilities of what the avatars are capable of. They have so many loopholes to be able to implement her.

Again, SE is lazy. They probably want to gut this game too haha

Do Windy Nation Mission if you haven't already because ...

[spoiler]Fenrir came back at the end.[/spoiler]

[Saiken253]

I have completed all the stories haha... but that somewhat further solidifies an argument that if Fenrir can come back, Phoenix definitely should be able to even though she's been fused into Selt'heus.

I just don't want a gimmick summon like Cait Sith(cause that's what it's going to be) and another lame 2hour summon. I want a powerful summon(definitely replacing ifrit as the fire summon, and could possibly replace garuda for our go-to summon of choice). I'm sure all of us are tired of seeing Garuda as well(and other players). Plus, Phoenix would revitilize people's interest in SMN(and maybe cause more people to support improvement to the job, which needs it badly in a party setting).