Need for DPS - which job is the most damaging?

[Saiken253]

Ukonvasara is better than it's mmyth/relic counterpart by far. Also, set bonuses do not affect WSs if i'm not mistaken. At least that's how it is with DRK(or have yet to experience a set bonus proc on a WS if it does occur

[Greatguardian]

This is not true. Conqueror, like most Mythics, is pretty much amazing and destroys Ukon/Bravura. Bravura also allows for many more defensive options while maintaining capped gear Haste, and is comparable to Ukonvasara on stronger enemies. It will be weaker than Ukon on weak shit in Abyssea, though.

Overall hierarchy for Great Axes is Conqueror on anything > Bravura on strong shit > Ukon on strong shit > Ukon on weak shit > Bravura on weak shit

[Jerynh]

y'all forgot pup

[Dragonlord]

y'all forgot pup

Pup, ok let's see. First off, pup really can't zerg well. You can't tp feed your automaton like you can for yourself with meditate/temps. So it immediately loses a large chunk of dmg.

As a DoT DD, it can maintain consistent high dmg WSs, but its melee can't keep up well due to native high delay h2h (unlike mnk). Verethragna doesn't add a ton of damage to pup for 2 reasons. Stringing pummel is nearly as good as VS, and AM on h2h is a little gimped because it can only proc on the first hand. Also, this doesn't increase your auto's damage at all.

So finally, pup's savior is its mythic. oa2-3x for the master AND the auto. This increases tp gain and WS damage of both auto and master by a significant degree. In terms of mythics, this one grants one of the highest changes to the job. The ability to spam SP (with a 15% bonus to dmg!) and armor shatterer/string shredder turns pup into a powerhouse DoT.

tl;dr;lolpup - pup can't match other high end DDs until they have a mythic, but i would say pup also beats many high end DDs with said mythic.

[Greatguardian]

That's if and only if the other DDs don't have mythics themselves, which is a fairly disingenuous comparison.

[Dragonlord]

That's if and only if the other DDs don't have mythics themselves, which is a fairly disingenuous comparison.

The only job that benefits as much as pup from mythic would be drg, since both jobs use their mythic WS, and receive a straight +15% WS damage. Other jobs with weaker mythic WS are forced to use the WS to activate their AM, and then they'll spam their better WS. Meaning that hidden +15% WS damage isn't adding much to their damage.

[ApocalypseNow]

I'm pretty sure Dnc can benefit quite a bit from there mythic to make multiple skill chains. Unless they have changed it in this update, Dnc doesn't have a relic so it's either mythic or empy.

[Dragonlord]

I'm pretty sure Dnc can benefit quite a bit from there mythic to make multiple skill chains. Unless they have changed it in this update, Dnc doesn't have a relic so it's either mythic or empy.

True, pyrrhic is a decent WS, DE is dnc's best out of abyssea though. dnc can do a 2 step skillchain using reverse flourish or a 3 step using /sam and sekkanoki. (maybe 4 w/ meditate if timed right? not sure)

If im remembering correctly, terpsichore makes steps grant 5 FMs. This would allow the dnc to benefit from using step->refresh flourish, instead of lose tp from it currently (which happens due to JA delay) However, it doesn't allows for any more skillchains than current due to reverse flourish's recast. Although with dnc's tp gain+meditate+oa2-3 AM, im almost certain the dnc could make that 4 step SC.

For certain terpsichore would increase dnc's zerg ability by a decent margin. And would increase overall dmg especially when you can evisc->pyrrhic (with +15% ws dmg) for darkness which will mirror that +15%.

[ApocalypseNow]

Ya pretty much what I was getting to Dragonlord. I would be interested if you still get the 5 FM's from Terp if it's in your off hand. I would think so, and in that case it would be cool to have Empy in main, and mythic in off hand :O. lol

[Dragonlord]

I'm pretty sure relics/emps/mythics don't do anything special in offhand. But i can't say i've heard an account from some one w/ a mythic, but it's how relics/emps are.