New Monk Weapon skills

[Zhronne]

@MarkovChain VS actually not losing anything from not equipping af3+2 body during punching. Bonus to crit damage from body is storing +1%crit damage every hit even if you equip body only for WS itself.

Are you saying that to get the +1%crit damage every hit you only need to wear AF3+2 body when you use the JA? I thought you had to keep it equipped for all the lasting time of Impetus.

Speaking of which, the attack cap has been found, anybody has a rough estimate of the +crit rate and +crit damage caps added by Impetus?

[Atoreis]

Are you saying that to get the +1%crit damage every hit you only need to wear AF3+2 body when you use the JA? I thought you had to keep it equipped for all the lasting time of Impetus.

Speaking of which, the attack cap has been found, anybody has a rough estimate of the +crit rate and +crit damage caps added by Impetus?

Cap is 50% for both (after 50 hits made in a row w/o miss)
You dont need to wear body at any point beside the one you want to take advantage of it's bonus.
You can turn impetus and hits 25 times in a row and wear body for 26th and if it happen to be crit it will receive +26%crit damage.

[Zhronne]

I see, thanks! But swapping in and out during the 3 minutes of impetus to "store" (since I imagine the amount "stored" on the body is effective only while you're under the effect of the Impetus JA?) cridamage and unleash it on WS is some very deep fine-tuning that we're talking about.

Last part of OT concerning this, is there a rule on how the missed hits reset Impetus? Because sometimes I miss hits and it rightfully resets, someother times I clearly see a missed hit both visually and in the log, but when I enter the menu I still see the same attack value. Maybe missed DA/TA hits do not count? Because normal hits, kickattacks and I think missed counters all count toward the reset of Impetus.


Getting back IT, good job there guys! Down from my ignorance I'm still trying to follow the discussion but atm I still am very confused about wether I should or should not get 5/5 Shijin Spiral when the patch comes out.

[Atoreis]

DEX on WS : 200 I know I'm targetting high end setups (consider that 2x march will give you 10 dex also with marches)

What exactly set you think about? Because I have a problem to achieve that high DEX unless with maximum boost-DEX

Best setup I can think about is

Spharai/x/x/Thew*
Shura/gorget/jupiter/brutal
Toci/hachiryu/+8/epona
Atheling/pipilaka/byakko/af2+2

Shura with dex+6 and 3%WSD, Byakko with +5dex
Im not sure about tew vs demonry and atheling vs nifty.
Thats +74dex on top of my 88base which is 162.
172 with marches and close to 200 wit boost dex.

The question is if you gonna boost dex on something harder instead of boost DEX.

[MarkovChain]

@MarkovChain VS actually not losing anything from not equipping af3+2 body during punching. Bonus to crit damage from body is storing +1%crit damage every hit even if you equip body only for WS itself.

It's ok this body doesn't seem to be a clear winner neither for TP or WS while impetus is up anyway. Way too many sacrifices : martial arts, fstr, attack and acc, counter damage, full set.

[Monchat]

since shijin spiral is 100% mod, and 5 hit WS, its better to equip + dex gear compared to + da. So you can remove back and ring and replace with +8 DEX ring and a dex mantle ( cuchulain mantle, aife's mantle come to mind). Think of victory smite on the belt slot ( Black belt versus Tjukurrpa belt): 3% DA is only 0.3% better than 2 STR and inferior to 3 STR.

[MarkovChain]

Spharai/x/x/Thew*
Shura/gorget/jupiter/brutal
Toci/hachiryu/+8/epona
Atheling/pipilaka/byakko/af2+2

Shura with dex+6 and 3%WSD, Byakko with +5dex
Im not sure about tew vs demonry and atheling vs nifty.
Thats +74dex on top of my 88base which is 162.
172 with marches and close to 200 wit boost dex.

The question is if you gonna boost dex on something harder instead of boost DEX.

Oce. Headpiece +1 : auction house, cheap for someone that aimed for vere99/spharai99 (13)
Ocelm. Harness +1 : look above (13)
Moepapa Medal : likely > than gorget (5 hits) (6)
brutal / pixie(lol) : (3)
dex 8 rings : (16) I said I'm pushing it high
hands : ZNM (10)
legs byakko (15)
feet nyzul +5 (10)
Nifty (6)
pililaka (6)
demonry 4

This looks close to optimal beside brutal vs dex4 earrings or random augment like byakko with dex on .

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perma double march is +10 dex
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should be 202 dex on elvaans who suck at dex. You should keep boost-STR because your ws build has less dex and it's always a better boost for tp. I said I'm pushing the DEX build high, 200+ str on vere is not completely easy either just more common due to what WS we use now.

[Atoreis]

Oce. Headpiece +1 : auction house, cheap for someone that aimed for vere99/spharai99 (13)
Ocelm. Harness +1 : look above (13)
Moepapa Medal : likely > than gorget (5 hits) (6)
brutal / pixie(lol) : (3)
dex 8 rings : (16) I said I'm pushing it high
hands : ZNM (10)
legs byakko (15)
feet nyzul +5 (10)
Nifty (6)
pililaka (6)
demonry 4

This looks close to optimal beside brutal vs dex4 earrings or random augment like byakko with dex on .

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+102
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perma double march is +10 dex
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should be 202 dex on elvaans who suck at dex. You should keep boost-STR because your ws build has less dex and it's always a better boost for tp. I said I'm pushing the DEX build high, 200+ str on vere is not completely easy either just more common due to what WS we use now.

I checked it closer and best will be:

Oce. Headpiece +1 (13)
Ocelm. Harness +1 (13)
gorget same damage but 7 more acc over Aife
brutal / Pearl : (4) Brutal is better than 4dex
dex 8 ring and Epona (8) Epona is better than 8dex
hands : ZNM (10)
legs byakko (20)
feet nyzul +5 (10)
Atheling 3%DA is +1% and 5dex is +1.5% but ateling has 11 more attack which should beat that 0.5%
pililaka (6)
demonry (4)

Thats +88 so ok fairly close to 200.

[Atoreis]

So the conclusion would be Veret during Impetus and Spharai during Impetus down? Unless you tanking something hard and counterable then Spharai fulltime?

[MarkovChain]

Nope spharai because it's a very consistent ws like asuran was. At least until the modifications on both weapons at 99, if any, become public. And I'd say spharai for high def things if they actually exist.

Notice how the dev said today that shijin is meant to be slightly inferior to VS (with a given weapon) and the gap is all the closer as you can push the mod high ? Superhigh str on vere is not as great as superdex (200+) due to 60% vs 100% mods.


With numbers I gave in the simulation (post) I have

during impetus : shijin ~2550 vs~2600 (infinite duration impetus so it's overestimated for vere) spharai is within 1% of vere

outside impetus : shijin~2400sih vs~1940 ish (spharai is 7.5% better so noticably)

The difference between both weapons is going to be determined by the quality of your dex builds. Can push dex even higher with luck on probably shura kabuto with dex and wsdmg+, osode, byakko, merits because str is not necessarily great anymore with the amount you have on gear. If you manage this you 'll have a clearly better ws that is more consistent with a weapon that doesn't require 100% AM1 to be on par.

We still need to confirm the attack boost (static or %).