New Monk Weapon skills

[Atoreis]

DEX on WS : 200 I know I'm targetting high end setups (consider that 2x march will give you 10 dex also with marches)

What exactly set you think about? Because I have a problem to achieve that high DEX unless with maximum boost-DEX

Best setup I can think about is

Spharai/x/x/Thew*
Shura/gorget/jupiter/brutal
Toci/hachiryu/+8/epona
Atheling/pipilaka/byakko/af2+2

Shura with dex+6 and 3%WSD, Byakko with +5dex
Im not sure about tew vs demonry and atheling vs nifty.
Thats +74dex on top of my 88base which is 162.
172 with marches and close to 200 wit boost dex.

The question is if you gonna boost dex on something harder instead of boost DEX.

[MarkovChain]

Spharai/x/x/Thew*
Shura/gorget/jupiter/brutal
Toci/hachiryu/+8/epona
Atheling/pipilaka/byakko/af2+2

Shura with dex+6 and 3%WSD, Byakko with +5dex
Im not sure about tew vs demonry and atheling vs nifty.
Thats +74dex on top of my 88base which is 162.
172 with marches and close to 200 wit boost dex.

The question is if you gonna boost dex on something harder instead of boost DEX.

Oce. Headpiece +1 : auction house, cheap for someone that aimed for vere99/spharai99 (13)
Ocelm. Harness +1 : look above (13)
Moepapa Medal : likely > than gorget (5 hits) (6)
brutal / pixie(lol) : (3)
dex 8 rings : (16) I said I'm pushing it high
hands : ZNM (10)
legs byakko (15)
feet nyzul +5 (10)
Nifty (6)
pililaka (6)
demonry 4

This looks close to optimal beside brutal vs dex4 earrings or random augment like byakko with dex on .

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perma double march is +10 dex
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should be 202 dex on elvaans who suck at dex. You should keep boost-STR because your ws build has less dex and it's always a better boost for tp. I said I'm pushing the DEX build high, 200+ str on vere is not completely easy either just more common due to what WS we use now.

[Atoreis]

Oce. Headpiece +1 : auction house, cheap for someone that aimed for vere99/spharai99 (13)
Ocelm. Harness +1 : look above (13)
Moepapa Medal : likely > than gorget (5 hits) (6)
brutal / pixie(lol) : (3)
dex 8 rings : (16) I said I'm pushing it high
hands : ZNM (10)
legs byakko (15)
feet nyzul +5 (10)
Nifty (6)
pililaka (6)
demonry 4

This looks close to optimal beside brutal vs dex4 earrings or random augment like byakko with dex on .

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+102
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perma double march is +10 dex
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should be 202 dex on elvaans who suck at dex. You should keep boost-STR because your ws build has less dex and it's always a better boost for tp. I said I'm pushing the DEX build high, 200+ str on vere is not completely easy either just more common due to what WS we use now.

I checked it closer and best will be:

Oce. Headpiece +1 (13)
Ocelm. Harness +1 (13)
gorget same damage but 7 more acc over Aife
brutal / Pearl : (4) Brutal is better than 4dex
dex 8 ring and Epona (8) Epona is better than 8dex
hands : ZNM (10)
legs byakko (20)
feet nyzul +5 (10)
Atheling 3%DA is +1% and 5dex is +1.5% but ateling has 11 more attack which should beat that 0.5%
pililaka (6)
demonry (4)

Thats +88 so ok fairly close to 200.

[MarkovChain]

I continued the data posted in #76 of this thread :

PUP99,432skill,D+39
No multiattack, no gorget
219 DEX / 578 att / 173 str

I did easy preys sand sweepers ; only registered WS that didn't kill them. I stopped when they started to repop decent challenge.

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Mean M=2012.550725
IC : +/- 62

def=392
cratio=578/392=1.4744
in this range of cratio the formula for the average pdif is 0.7486*x^2-1.5814*x+2.1349 with x=cratio
The interval in which the avg pdif on WS lies is therefore
[(M-r)/(ftp1),(M+r)/(ftp1)] with ftp1=0.95*1.0625*(floor(432*0.11)+3+12+39+floor(0.85*219))+4*0.95*(floor(432*0.11)+3+12+39+floor(0.85*219))
so [1.413144949, 1.502981102]
Backsolving the pdif equation : cratio lies in
[1.445467775,1.577299846] so the pdif "increase" is between
-2% and 7%... In this case the attack boost is not to obvious.

[MarkovChain]

If I exclude your inability to compute fstr I think you forgot spharai's 40 attack boost which is 30 attack more than vere, when you are unlikely to not cap pdif in all seriousness with 160 str before weapon and full AF3... You usually get minuet V from daurdabla too and 7 from curry buns and if your whm doesn't suck, at least 10 from boost str. If my 6 man party can get +18 str just from a bard's minuet and a whm I hope you do anywhere where it matter.

[Atoreis]

If I exclude your inability to compute fstr I think you forgot spharai's 40 attack boost which is 30 attack more than vere, when you are unlikely to not cap pdif in all seriousness with 160 str before weapon and full AF3... You usually get minuet V from daurdabla too and 7 from curry buns and if your whm doesn't suck, at least 10 from boost str. If my 6 man party can get +18 str just from a bard's minuet and a whm I hope you do anywhere where it matter.

But I took STR you posted...

10% crit rate,3% triple attack rate,21% double attack rate, 150 str on TP and WS

and mob you posted....

110 vit, 500 def + dia2, +1 level difference

150-110=40
40/4=10

[MarkovChain]

and you forgot the attack boost too ? dude. While the fstr is indeed 11 and 13 for the example above, it also means that I'm understimated them for tp in both cases. You find vere 4.8% better so what ? You don't account for impetus up/down, nor the attack boost on spharai and plenty of other important things (counter for instance).

[setting]

is there any extra buffs to 99 relic ws or the 2.5dmg proc ? mabe relic ws will own both /prays

[Atoreis]

is there any extra buffs to 99 relic ws or the 2.5dmg proc ? mabe relic ws will own both /prays

None has 99 relic. Update is at Wednesday not to mention we don't even know 1000 of what we need to upg it to 99...

[Konigwolf]

I think you misunderstand the mechanics of DA/TA/doubleDamage/tripleDamage effects Atoreis. For example:

Comparing two weapons with everything equal besides delay:

W1 : DMG 35 Delay 51, I'll skip over the math and simply state that DMG 35 deals 100 damage per round.
W2 : DMG 35 Delay 86, 100 damage per round.

Let's look at the total damage dealt over 1 minute with 0% DA and 20% DA for each weapon (I'll just look at DA since TA/doubleDamage etc. are the same calculations anyway)

W1
Delay 51 => (60/51) = ~1.176 attacks per second, 70.588 attacks per minute
70.588*100 = 7058.8 damage per minute (0% DA)
70.588*1.2*100 = 8470.56 damage per minute (20% DA)
(8470.56 - 7058.8)/7058.8 = 0.2 20% improvement in damage

W2
Delay 86 => (60/86) = ~0.698 attacks per second, 41.860 attacks per minute
40.860*100 = 4086.0 damage per minute (0% DA)
40.860*1.2*100 = 4903.2 damage per minute (20% DA)
(4903.2 - 4086.0)/4086.0 = 0.2 20% improvement in damage

So delay has nothing to do with how much benefit you get from DA/TA/doubleDamage/tripleDamage. You could have had 500 delay and still derived the same benefit from DA/... if your base damage made up for it.

However, you're right that Kick Attacks should slightly favor Verethragna's lower delay, because Spharai can't improve kick damage as much (except maybe for attack +40, which I'm not sure if it applies to kicks).