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    Player Xellith's Avatar
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    "the game is too easy" is a stupid excuse. Nothing is stopping you from having your tanks use weapons but no other gear. No atmas, cruor buffs, F- rated weapons. The game is easier of course because old content is old content. But there is nothing stopping you from going gimped to hell and playing it "hard".
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    Quote Originally Posted by svengalis View Post
    And there's tons more abyssea mobs that spam TP moves without being fed TP. I am not going to sit here and list them all, Nynja must not do Abyssea much.
    please list them all...I'm curious which ones spam TP moves that arent in a predictable fashion? What mob will actually RANDOMLY spam TP moves?
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    I am for and aggainst abyssea.

    The fact it doesnt take 6 months to get at job 75 anymore is great.
    But abyssea as killed the dedication that players had before.Most ppl got so used to the "lets get a new gear everyday" that as soon as a Ls tells them they will have to wait their turn, they leave.

    Linkshells also tend to break fast compared to the pre-abyssea linkshells due to Core members getting bored fast after getting everything in 2 months.

    Pre-abyssea grin or not, could show who was dedicaced and who actually deserved those gears.

    I miss it ;_;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xellith View Post
    "the game is too easy" is a stupid excuse. Nothing is stopping you from having your tanks use weapons but no other gear. No atmas, cruor buffs, F- rated weapons. The game is easier of course because old content is old content. But there is nothing stopping you from going gimped to hell and playing it "hard".
    That's another thing people keep bringing up. "If you want it harder just don't use Atma, blabla", it's a ridiculous argument. Why shouldn't we use the tools we have available? Is it too much to ask from a game developer to choose the difficulty instead of the player? Gimping yourself is artificial challenge, it doesn't make the game any harder. The point of players in a game is precisely to try and make it easier for them: use tactics that will give you an advantage, gear for the situation at hand, react to the enemny's actions, coordinate with your teammates to increase your chance of survival. These are natural elements to any game that will make battles easier, and that's the point. If you just wanna zerg it, you'll likely die. If you do an effort, you'll increase your chances to survive.

    You, on the other hand, suggest exactly the opposite: do an effort to decrease your chances. It's not how games are supposed to work. The game is supposed to inflict the limitations, you are supposed to try and break them and work around them to win at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nynja View Post
    please list them all...I'm curious which ones spam TP moves that arent in a predictable fashion? What mob will actually RANDOMLY spam TP moves?
    Probably thinking about the NMs. All of the +2 NMs have some sort of permanent meditate effect. In the hero's zones some of the NMs can just use a TP move whenever they want, mostly the T3 weapon NMs.

    I guess after SE saw all the players using subtle blow and soloing / duoing NMs they decided to make it harder for them. Where it gets really silly is inside Voidwatch, the NMs in there don't even need TP. I've had several chase me around before and their spamming TP moves with nobody hitting them. It becomes fairly obvious that some of their abilities are not TP moves but instead are just JA's.
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    Player Zaknafein's Avatar
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    If there is one thing I find highly moronic it is people who say "If you want a challenge do x,y, or z." No buffs, no atma blah blah ...No TY. When players ask for a challenge they are asking for an event that is exactly that. A challenge. No extra buffs/temp items/freeRR. Period.

    I want an event where it requires some teamwork, and if you don't have the social skills or game knowledge to work with the bare basics then you will fail. Not an artificially created difficulty for myself that some noobs can accomplish also simply because the event was designed WAY too easy in the 1st place.

    SE needs to develop two paths for end game.

    A path for people who just want to coast, and a path for those willing to organize to excel at it. Doesn't seem like that hard of concept.
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    They seriously think the only major improvement the game has received in years was a mistake?

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    Player Arcon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Limecat View Post
    They seriously think the only major improvement the game has received in years was a mistake?
    I'm sure it's very convenient to skip 55 pages of reading, isn't it?

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    That's another thing people keep bringing up. "If you want it harder just don't use Atma, blabla", it's a ridiculous argument. Why shouldn't we use the tools we have available? Is it too much to ask from a game developer to choose the difficulty instead of the player?
    If you buy a new game on your xbox do you instantly put it on too easy and complain about difficulty? I'm saying if you are complaining it's easy why use all the best atams and curor buffs, the reality is you don't care it's easy you just care it's easy for other people. I did a lot of the NMs without any atmas or curor buffs at the start because we didn't know much about them then, had no ls at the time for them to get em for us etc so we did the nms without..and yes they were difficult long fights that way.

    I want an event where it requires some teamwork, and if you don't have the social skills or game knowledge to work with the bare basics then you will fail. Not an artificially created difficulty for myself that some noobs can accomplish also simply because the event was designed WAY too easy in the 1st place.

    SE needs to develop two paths for end game.

    A path for people who just want to coast, and a path for those willing to organize to excel at it. Doesn't seem like that hard of concept.
    What did you think of VW? I actually find the fights can be quite challenging and fun, they give you temp items but some of the nms are so crazy you can't win without them. They require teamwork and some need some decent strategies to win, still see quite a lot of people failing on the higher tier stuff. The time limit is the most difficult aspect of many of the fights...at least till peopel post strats for everyone to copy...but such is the way of all FFIX content that has ever been added. See AV.
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    Player Zaknafein's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runespider View Post
    What did you think of VW? I actually find the fights can be quite challenging and fun, they give you temp items but some of the nms are so crazy you can't win without them. They require teamwork and some need some decent strategies to win, still see quite a lot of people failing on the higher tier stuff. The time limit is the most difficult aspect of many of the fights...at least till peopel post strats for everyone to copy...but such is the way of all FFIX content that has ever been added. See AV.
    I enjoyed VW in it's early stages much the same way I enjoyed Abyssea in the 1st expansion b4 everyone had hints, overpowered DD atmas, Apoc/twilight. Honestly tho VW has become just as bad as abyssea. In fact I would argue worse.

    With the proper set up, and moderately skilled players groups are able to stagger so often if the target isn't frozen the entire alliance has fanatics up. The sheer amount of temps being dumped on each participant everytime they are recharged is just silly imo.

    The fights are enjoyable. However, the ridiculous drop rates taint the event. It would have felt less grindy if they had worked the percentages, and distribution differently.

    As it stands VW is the only event my LS does. 3 days a week. It's cool. I enjoy going to it, but it very rarely feels hard. There have been like 3 NM's on the way to jeuno, and zilart chapter 3 that we've stumbled on. That never lasted more than one nights event tho.

    Personally I'm holding out hope for a new sky or sea sized zone @99 with a mixture of timed roaming NM's, and some popped ones. Just a regular old zone where you go in with the jobs you have. No aids or crutches. Just your gears which we all have plenty of now.
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