Since no one seems to have posted yet: Final LB fight

[Concerned4FFxi]

nothing personal taken concerned i actually am one of the few who gives free tele's and helps the new comers do the limit breaks i gave up endgame ls's few months back and actually just spend time in social ls's helping new members and up and comers progress and try new things in the game. if we dont teach and help new players as we go then sooner or later there wont be new blood and nothing left for us to do... personally if brings me back to the day remembering the fun and excitement of when i achieved the goals they are attaining. who knows what the future will entail i just think that the option to do it solo should be available and there will be people like myself at 99 who will drag noobs through with bst smn rdm etc for just sheer enjoyment of reliving the battle. But unfortunately in my current server there are many mercenaries who will merely seek to profit from the people who are not patient enough to fight the battle as there are not enough people at their current level to fight it with them with the appropriate cookie cutter jobs.

Your right and it's a shame some people are that short sighted, I help others for two reasons, the first is because I know how it feels to /shout for hours and get nobody's five-50minutes of help for something they (the veterans standing in jueno unwilling to assist) can afk thru half of it and auto-follow the other half to whatever event said person needs a quick assist on; and the second main reason I help is I see it as an investment. By assisting new players, I am helping to create an experience that they hopefully will enjoy. This enjoyment for them translates into: a) potential help for me down the line when they are a veteran, and b) another player who will stay playing the game I love, which means one more person paying SE, means the game will last that much longer for me.

I cant understand some veterans short sightedness, I love noobs, I hope SE releases this game on the new portable playstation or whatever so more noobs can join. More noobs means the game will last that much longer for the veterans, who some of them don't want to help the noobs. But 11 needs noobs just like baby boomers need young people to goto work and have social security payments from their paycheck deducted.

[Kosneffect]

Hard mode or easy mode..... most peeps will take the easy way out. There's alot of players out there that don't understand what they need to do. All these abby burned noobs don't understand the basics of a party. Hell I got some in my linkshell, and they ask the dumbiest things that they should know if they took the time to level their job. As for the hard mode there will be people that do it that way, like the ones that have been playing this game pre-abby.

[Concerned4FFxi]

Thanks everyone for the feedback and comments regarding our previous update.

Based on the opinions across all regions, we have decided to make multiple versions of the battlefield. Along with this change, we’ll need a few more days for development and testing, but we’re working diligently to get this in for the version update.

I’d like to outline details for the two items that will be used in conjunction with the battlefield.

• The item required to enter the battlefield
We’ll be preparing a new item that will be necessary to enter the battlefield. It will be possible to obtain this item from high level monsters in each area and the drop rate is quite high.

• The item that can be used to lower battlefield difficulty
Previously we said that we’re making adjustments so that you can win without having a full party of six members, but you can take this to mean that you’ll need the enfeeble item to achieve this.

This enfeebling-type of item exists for two reasons:
The first is the player’s choice to increase their chances of winning.
The second is to set up a countermeasure so as time passes it will be possible to clear the battlefield with fewer people. Note that it will take a bit of leg work in order to obtain the enfeeble item.

In other words, there will be two methods for challenging this battle. In exchange for spending some time preparing for the battle, you’ll have the option to increase your chances of winning. If you deem it unnecessary to obtain this item, you can take on the battle without spending any time preparing ahead of time.

In the case that you fail the battlefield, you will not need to re-obtain the entry item. Instead we might make it so you will need merit points or High Kindred’s Crests, but we are currently making adjustments in the direction of lowering the amount of merit points required to challenge it again.

Ok, now that is a better explaination then what was previously posted, and is acceptable. As long as farming the enfeeblement items isn't a walk in the park and there is some penality for losing the fight, even if it's only 3 merits to redo the fight, then yes that'sd a decent comprimise and we are already light years ahead of the U.S. Government's ability to prepare a bi-partisan balanced budget.

[Kalilla]

You might want to do some real math 1st. Yes, having people running all over to farm the entry item will lessen congestion @ the BC, but it still have the congestion at the farming point. You ever drive in a highway at rush hour where it goes from 3 lanes of not moving to 2 lanes of not moving? Yeah, it's the same extact issue with trying to spread out congestion - you're only pushing matters up/down and not really solving congestion issues.

My post was the one just above Camate's.

Why think so hard into it? It's not going to be 20 days of congestion, that's ridiculous. I don't care what math you do to prove mine wrong, it's not going to happen.

So what if I threw a few numbers together, it's not going to take 20 days for a whole server to finish.

So what if it's all going to be a single area, I swear some people will complain about anything. You know the first few days to the first week will be crappy, just wait a few days before you start or don't complain about what you're putting yourself through.

[Babekeke]

You might want to do some real math 1st. Yes, having people running all over to farm the entry item will lessen congestion @ the BC, but it still have the congestion at the farming point. You ever drive in a highway at rush hour where it goes from 3 lanes of not moving to 2 lanes of not moving? Yeah, it's the same extact issue with trying to spread out congestion - you're only pushing matters up/down and not really solving congestion issues.

My post was the one just above Camate's.

assumed that everyone already gotten the item (it's just another bottleneck). And let's for agrument that all 6k players all line up (it wont in reality). So 6k/6 members/party = 1k parties of ppl who has to enter and let's say for worst case it's 30min allocation for each party. So that would be 1k parties * 30min ~ 30k mins. That would be 500 hrs or 20.8 days of full non stop entry of groups of 6 players 24 hrs a day around the clock. The reality would be much much worst with small groups of people per party. And what if others want to use the BC for other use such as Missions?

Since everyone won't be taking their level 1 mules along, you can cut that number by 1/3 I should think.

[Vagrua]

These elite players will prepare for battle. Their squires will make sure all their armor is shined and their weapon's edges razor sharp. Time to gather the party. There are many people willing to go to this fight, but the elitist only require specific jobs. No, they cannot just choose any jobs, they must find the set of jobs that will allow them to win this battle as easy as possible, with very little real CHALLENGE. Will the pup and bst get invited, no. How about the dancer that works in the seedy bar living on waistband tips. no. The elitist cannot be seen with such riffraff, because they read in an informative news article that if they go with 4 monks and 2 white mages they will be able to two hour and complete the fight in record time!!

I'd imagine a BST, PUP, or SMN burn party would work just as easily. The problem I see is with how bad congestion will be. I'm not sure how a DNC burn would go.

[MilesEdgeworth]

I'd imagine a BST, PUP, or SMN burn party would work just as easily. The problem I see is with how bad congestion will be. I'm not sure how a DNC burn would go.

You're missing the point, he's not saying that the PUPs, DNCs, etc... won't win the fight, or even how easy it would be. He's pointing out that a lot of the people that are saying they want a challenge, are going to find out that a specific combination of jobs makes the hard-mode fight a joke, only invite people of those specific jobs that have a Relic/Mythic/Empy, so that they can win the fight in 15 seconds. Thus defeating the purpose of wanting a "hard-mode" in the first place.

[Theytak]

Good afternoon fellow players, casuals and elitists alike. I stand humbly before you to offer my words, most will be misspelled, but I ask for forgiveness on that, old brain injury. I have been off for a few days, I made the mistake of criticizing the almighty SE, I must learn to come to terms with the fact that they know all, although ten year olds I coach could have figured out there would be massive backlog if one bc was used, but I digress.

I have been reading comments about the challenge of this fight. It is noble to want to undertake this fight at the highest possible difficulty, but I see very few people here that truly want that. Now I do see many elitists that say they wish that, but is that the real truth?

Focusing on these elite players, I must say this. You hypocrites. Let me explain how this will really play out, and this is not up to debate because this way of doing things have spanned many many years of FFXI on almost every type of content.

These elite players will prepare for battle. Their squires will make sure all their armor is shined and their weapon's edges razor sharp. Time to gather the party. There are many people willing to go to this fight, but the elitist only require specific jobs. No, they cannot just choose any jobs, they must find the set of jobs that will allow them to win this battle as easy as possible, with very little real CHALLENGE. Will the pup and bst get invited, no. How about the dancer that works in the seedy bar living on waistband tips. no. The elitist cannot be seen with such riffraff, because they read in an informative news article that if they go with 4 monks and 2 white mages they will be able to two hour and complete the fight in record time!!

So they ignore all the /tells from all the wrong jobs, and they will gather all the empyrean monks they can find and head up along with some well geared white mages. The fight as expected, posed no challenge to this super setup.

They walk out, heads held high, they have beaten the fight on hard mode. hurrah hurrah the crowd shouts.

That is how it will really play out for all these people shouting for challenge. They will not go up there with a balanced party with a tank, any three damage dealing jobs a healer and support. That would be the real challenge.

Many of you will say, no no no, that is not how it will happen, but history says otherwise.

I bid you goodnight.

....bob, you drunk?

[Luvbunny]

That is how it will really play out for all these people shouting for challenge. They will not go up there with a balanced party with a tank, any three damage dealing jobs a healer and support. That would be the real challenge. Many of you will say, no no no, that is not how it will happen, but history says otherwise.

Ah, you finally stated the truth At least the options are there. Personally I rather just hand out 20 merits and be done with it, no battle or mini games or dumb ideas - just give me my level 99 and be done with it.

[Kristal]

Thanks everyone for the feedback and comments regarding our previous update.

Based on the opinions across all regions, we have decided to make multiple versions of the battlefield. Along with this change, we’ll need a few more days for development and testing, but we’re working diligently to get this in for the version update.

Will there be a Maat's Cap II for players that complete the hard mode fight on all 20 jobs? Probably not right away, since the BC area will be spammed with people unlocking lvl 99, but the update after?