Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Greatguardian]

The biggest problem that is popping up though with abyssea leeched jobs is people won't gear swap and have no idea what stats benefit that job most etc. I have had abyssea leeched blus try to get in on +2 runs that dont have basic spells let alone proc spells and spam me with whine /tells about how I am so mean for not letting them come and lot stuff when they are pretty much useless. Same goes for leeched blms, wars w/o red procs etc. If you are going to leech, at least get the other shit you need <spells ws etc> or dont bother to /tell me to try and get in. In years of playing pre abyssea i had 2 ppl /blist, since abyssea that list has grown tenfold. I have no issue with someone going to abyssea to get 30-90, but there is more stuff involved than just dinging 90.

Remove the words "Abyssea Leeched" from your post and that's how FFXI has been since 2003. Do I need to link you to the Haste thread?

[Odintius]

I say the first goal of the party is to mpk the afk and leecher's problem solved >.>

[Ezikiel]

i had 75's before abyssea and i never gear swapped to each his own i know i will get flamed but im not gonna drag around 8 different sets of gear i swap staves but not much more than that. and if u say no gear swap you not getting full potential i can dual box better than some of you single

[Mrbeansman]

i had 75's before abyssea and i never gear swapped to each his own i know i will get flamed but im not gonna drag around 8 different sets of gear i swap staves but not much more than that. and if u say no gear swap you not getting full potential i can dual box better than some of you single

Does your dual box also not swap gear?

[Kuishen]

i had 75's before abyssea and i never gear swapped to each his own i know i will get flamed but im not gonna drag around 8 different sets of gear i swap staves but not much more than that. and if u say no gear swap you not getting full potential i can dual box better than some of you single

You wouldn't need to dual box if you swapped gear, cause you wouldn't suck as much/take as long.

[Zagen]

Some are taking things a bit to far (I am sure they are just trolling though)

No one, not even me wants to go back to 2-3k an hour parties, and yes TtoAU and WotG did effect parties, but Abyssea made things worse, leveling from 30 to 90 (or 99) so fast does not give a person time to learn the important things about said job the right way.

You can not tell me that some one leveling something like PLD in a normal time frame, and some one leveling PLD in a week or even two, then put them both up against a big endgame mob...... who is going to preform better? the first person.

I Abyssea Leeched my PLD and I can tell you it has changed nothing in the way I tank on MNK...

Lets be honest how much do you have to learn besides Flash when its up, recast Utsusemi ASAP when it drops, and macro in HP+ gear for a cure cheat macro. Oh by the way besides "Flash when its up" none of those things are learned by a PLD grinding EXP outside abyssea.

Edit: IMO the only job that requires any real learning is PUP and even then I'm debating if its just my unwillingness to learn how to control the puppet that makes me think its complicated.

[Ezikiel]

You wouldn't need to dual box if you swapped gear, cause you wouldn't suck as much/take as long.

never once said i HAD to dual i choose to sometimes gear swap doesnt make u invincible lol abyssea does

[Miera]

Or DNC!!! /winkwinkwink.

My shell never lets me tank stuff on DNC though, always WHM.

And i am stuck as SCH. =\ I'd level NIN just to get a break from SCH if it werent for the fact that I don't want to buy a million stacks of tools a day. ;P

[Alkalinehoe]

And i am stuck as SCH. =\ I'd level NIN just to get a break from SCH if it werent for the fact that I don't want to buy a million stacks of tools a day. ;P

Even if I leveled NIN I would never get to go, we already have 2 Kannagi NINs. lol

[Henihhi]

Lol you people are funny. I hope to god SE doesnt take half this crap spewing on here seriously. Oh and bragging about dual boxing? If you had proper gear you would probably be able to solo. Oh noes dual boxing in abyssea is hard, uber stuff. /sarcasm for people that dont understand it