Tanking Discussion, not a "VS" forum

[Nightfyre]

Warcry, Berserk, Defender, Yonin all give you more hate. Yonin on a more useful basis, but the other ones are good spike hate tools.

I was ignoring Yonin on the assumption that you were talking about abilities generating spike hate. All such abilities are purely VE, meaning that it would have been more productive for you to simply keep meleeing due to JA delay. Abilties that actually affect your DPS etc are a different matter.

On high defense mobs

...my point would be inapplicable because I specifically stated "situations where you can achieve decent damage output."

Yes other jobs CAN tank things but there are 2 jobs that are simply BEST SUITED to do so.

I can think of a lot more than 2 jobs that are strong tanks... probably better tanks than the ones you have in mind in certain situations.