Einherjar / Limbus / Nyzul Isle / Salvage - No More Proc Systems!!

[Leonlionheart]

Oh you're funny. I'd like to see that PUP keeping up with the big 3 even with a Mythic. The only reason the wyvern matters for Dragoon is for the later jumps, not because pet damage is worth a shit (hint: It's not, even on PUP).

i think i ftfy

[Leonlionheart]

Most importantly, I was looking more at Leon excluding Drg if procs were not an issue.

tbh I leave out DRG because it has poor survivability. Very very hard to cap PDT w/o Mekira Meikogeki and Defending Ring. The job loses even more than WAR does, because of no Chersos Helm/Rvg. Cuisses +2.

Edit: Although you can heal yourself with your wyvern, it's too slow to be reliable. If you're WHM hasn't healed you by the point your wyvern is going to heal you, you're either not in danger or already dead.

[Greatguardian]

tbh I leave out DRG because it has poor survivability. Very very hard to cap PDT w/o Mekira Meikogeki and Defending Ring. The job loses even more than WAR does, because of no Chersos Helm/Rvg. Cuisses +2.

Edit: Although you can heal yourself with your wyvern, it's too slow to be reliable. If you're WHM hasn't healed you by the point your wyvern is going to heal you, you're either not in danger or already dead.

Fair enough. I certainly wouldn't be looking for a DRG to be tanking anything, or holding hate for any extended period of time if at all possible. One of the nice things about lances is that since they're even slower than GAs, you're unlikely to have a DRG holding hate in any pack of heavy DDs if only due to the fact that they hit less often than Mnks and other 2-handers (capped hate and all that).

I was thinking mainly as a damage dealer, first and foremost, where survivability is pretty much already taken care of by the big 3. If you want pure, unadulterated damage, Dragoon's up there pretty easily.

[Divinechild]

Depends on what you're trying to proc. BLM's got a hell of a lot more love after abyssea came out.

I think thats because of what they did to them in ToAU with colobri

[Leonlionheart]

I was thinking mainly as a damage dealer, first and foremost, where survivability is pretty much already taken care of by the big 3. If you want pure, unadulterated damage, Dragoon's up there pretty easily.

No doubt, and if it wasn't for every single relevant NM 1) doing 700~ AoEs and 2) dying in 3~7 minutes I'd say DRG would be a vital part of a party. Extremely high damage where you can shed hate in OSHI situations? Yes please.

[Alhanelem]

Lumping DRG in with PUP and BST is so so so bad. I don't particularly care about how you and your friends perform. Anecdotal evidence really is the best evidence.

Except it's not sosososo bad, because it's true.

As I said earlier, the Wyvern being alive isn't important because of its own damage, it's important because it buffs Spirit/Soul jumps. That's the only important "Pet" portion of Dragoon.

The pet is far more important to PUP and BST, and in both cases contributes far more than the wyvern does, and I'm considering the indirect benefit to jumps in that.

I could care less what you think on the matter, considering all you're likely to do is huff around about how great pet jobs can be in the right hands and other such inane tripe.

Well, it's not "inane tripe," its real, reasonable statements, but I'll save you the trouble of having details to respond to since you'd likely just declare it more "inane tripe" no matter how much truth there is in it. All you do is talk about how bad these jobs are without backing it up, with the specific objective of getting me to do what you say I'm likely to do.

[Leonlionheart]

PUP all together sucks, get over it dude.
BST too, outside of being the god of solo.

[Alhanelem]

PUP all together sucks, get over it dude.
BST too, outside of being the god of solo.

Nice troll bait there bro

GG is more subtle, at least.

[Greatguardian]

Do you really not realize we're talking purely from a group-oriented standpoint where the only important factor for these jobs is the damage they're able to deal with buffs from other specialized players? Or are you honestly so jaded that you think PUP comes remotely close to MNK, WAR, or SAM in terms of raw damage?

[Arcon]

Or are you honestly so jaded that you think PUP comes remotely close to MNK, WAR, or SAM in terms of raw damage?

It actually did come close for a while, when they got 10 TP/tick Regain on Burattinaios. After that, they got demoted to sidelines entertainment again.