Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Penance]

Regarding to the reply made about making your own party, sometimes you dont have the choice to make your own party when the correct jobs are not available, (or nobody is looking for one). I'm not sure what server you are on, but on the server i leveled there were rarely the correct jobs looking for a party. And if you ignore the fact of a good setup and just go with what you have youll end up with bad experience and people wont stay (Yay at 5/6 and no healer). This is Pre-abyssea I'm talking about. For whm i did not have to look so much, for smn i had to be main heal in a lot of partys (what does that teach me that whm hasnt already).

I personally spend a lot of time on Final Fantasy, but there are also people who do not play this more then 4 hours each day, who have a family or a lot of work. The way abyssea is implemented a lot more people have access to good Experience and good gear

ONe of the reason they might have introduced this, is due to the introduction of FF14. Its already too time consuming to play both games and there are a lot of Final Fantasy fans who want to play both 11 and 14. Getting exp faster is time that can be invested in FF14.

[Miera]

So instead of Abyssea burning, we will be stuck in East Ronfaure [S] and Qufim? Or Astral Burning?

People are using Abyssea to level because the old way SUCKED. Trying to change it is just imposing your nostalgia on others. If people loved levelling the old way so much, they would.

Yes, they did suck but standing there and not earning your levels sucks worse.

[Greatguardian]

Yes, they did suck but standing there and not earning your levels sucks worse.

This is why we need to get rid of all of these easy ways to get exp that prevent people from properly earning their levels. Get rid of FOV, get rid of ToAU camps, WotG camps, Campaign, Besieged, and those silly Heroes Reflections things. EXP rewards from battlefields should also be eliminated, level caps on CoP areas and level sync for equipment in those zones should be reversed. People need to earn their Rajas rings too.

[Meyi]

This is why we need to get rid of all of these easy ways to get exp that prevent people from properly earning their levels. Get rid of FOV, get rid of ToAU camps, WotG camps, Campaign, Besieged, and those silly Heroes Reflections things. EXP rewards from battlefields should also be eliminated, level caps on CoP areas and level sync for equipment in those zones should be reversed. People need to earn their Rajas rings too.

...No.

The game has been made easier. Returning back to its difficult mode will only cause people to quit playing. I would consider not playing as much anymore. I've enjoyed the new challenges presented in FFXI through soloing.

All of the hardcore players had their years to feel good about their accomplishments. This is the year 2011. Let's have some fun in the game for a change.

[Detoxy]

i agree the old ways r dead and gone get over people there will be leechers FOREVER!!!!

[Miera]

i wouldn't say get rid of those Camps, they are actually helping the less fortunate jobs to level such as BLM. When they came out with the Wamoras and such, that was what BLMs ate, slept and Breathed all the way to 75 because no one wanted them in their parties. I had to also level my DNC with FoV and CoP areas, granted back then FoV was only once per game day but it was quite helpful to a slow job such as that. Campaign battle also was pretty helpful. I don't think we should get rid of that either since you cannot really Leech from Campaign battles because XP earning was based on your efforts in battle, not only that but you had to be in Campaign battle at a certain level or you'd get the snot beat out of you.

I know someone who just started the game and started out as a BLM then it was already too late to find parties because abyssea was like crack to people and everyone practicaly stayed in it. I warned him that BLM was a hard job to level top began with and I tried showing the ropes of how you effectively play a Mage job. He never understood pet sniping and sleep nuking and all the wonderful things that mages do to solo eventually he burned his way to 90 and still doesn't have a clue what time nuking is. My only beef is the level cap, not the other zones, those were great zones to party in and figuring out how to play your job effectively.

[Miera]

...No.

The game has been made easier. Returning back to its difficult mode will only cause people to quit playing. I would consider not playing as much anymore. I've enjoyed the new challenges presented in FFXI through soloing.

All of the hardcore players had their years to feel good about their accomplishments. This is the year 2011. Let's have some fun in the game for a change.

I understand with what you are saying but how easy do you want things? Once SE hands everything to you you'll have nothing else left to do.

[Greatguardian]

i wouldn't say get rid of those Camps, they are actually helping the less fortunate jobs to level such as BLM. When they came out with the Wamoras and such, that was what BLMs ate, slept and Breathed all the way to 75 because no one wanted them in their parties. I had to also level my DNC with FoV and CoP areas, granted back then FoV was only once per game day but it was quite helpful to a slow job such as that. Campaign battle also was pretty helpful. I don't think we should get rid of that either since you cannot really Leech from Campaign battles because XP earning was based on your efforts in battle, not only that but you had to be in Campaign battle at a certain level or you'd get the snot beat out of you.

I know someone who just started the game and started out as a BLM then it was already too late to find parties because abyssea was like crack to people and everyone practicaly stayed in it. I warned him that BLM was a hard job to level top began with and I tried showing the ropes of how you effectively play a Mage job. He never understood pet sniping and sleep nuking and all the wonderful things that mages do to solo eventually he burned his way to 90 and still doesn't have a clue what time nuking is. My only beef is the level cap, not the other zones, those were great zones to party in and figuring out how to play your job effectively.

Incorrect!

It is those camps specifically which lead to the demise of the Black Mage in EXP! Do you know what BLM did before solo'ing and manaburning Roaches? They were a vital member of the party! It was the introduction of Treasures of Aht Urhgan camps which pushed Black Mage and the Magic Burst to the sidelines, undermining game balance for years to come. People are very obviously NOT learning their jobs well in ToAU and WotG parties if they do not know how to properly MB in Exp.

Campaign and Besieged were also very easy to leech from. Anyone can AoE buff in campaign by hitting a couple macros over and over and get exp! In besieged, you can cap your exp gain in 2 minutes and then leech the win from everyone else!
These systems encourage leeching and should be removed from the game. If you are not grinding level 80 RDM Dancing Weapons for exp, you are not learning your job.


@Meyi: I'm trolling. I'm tired of hearing the same argument over and over. It's funny, though, to see people so viciously condemn Abyssea while leaving ToAU and WotG intact. It makes it very clear that it's not about people learning their jobs; it's just about people having it easier than them. By their logic I should disown all of them for having used Colibri to level up.

[Dubberrucky]

Are you seriously trying to compare standing there to spamming birds? The bird camps were boring I took every opportunity to party on anything other than birds personally. The fact remains though that even in the days of bird parties you were still required to actively participate so no its not even a close comparison.

[Greatguardian]

Are you seriously trying to compare standing there to spamming birds? The bird camps were boring I took every opportunity to party on anything other than birds personally. The fact remains though that even in the days of bird parties you were still required to actively participate so no its not even a close comparison.

Are you seriously trying to compare hitting a WS macro over and over to tactically setting up a Skillchain and Magic Burst that requires coordination from the entire party? The fact remains that even in the days of Bibiki Bay parties, DDs were required to be awake and alert instead of a zombie whose participation is limited to 1-2 macros and has no input from the rest of the group so no, it's not even a close comparison.