Whats your favorite subjob for RDM? What is your least favorite?

[Neisan_Quetz]

You can stop pretending to be a special snowflake right about... now.

[Greatguardian]

You can stop pretending to be a special snowflake right about... now.

Off topic, but you should change your name to Heisan_Quetz so that Saevel can abbreviate it as HQ. Whitebox or bust, bro.

[ManaKing]

You can stop pretending to be a special snowflake right about... now.

Wow that post served a purpose, nice way to start a fight I guess, instead of talking about what you favorite subjob for RDM is... you know, the topic of the post.

[Greatguardian]

Wow that post served a purpose, nice way to start a fight I guess, instead of talking about what you favorite subjob for RDM is... you know, the topic of the post.

Save the chastisement, it's fairly obvious where this mess started.

[Neisan_Quetz]

It actually took me a few minutes to figure out what they meant by NQ. I wasn't aware I had Normal Quality talking. Next time I'll respond in the vernacular.

On Topic before OP complains: /blu was kinda fun for laughing off certain NMs and still keeping Sang blade too though. I've heard of it being used for healing breeze at birds but never saw it as a necessity after finishing Vert merits and getting relic head.

[ManaKing]

Save the chastisement, it's fairly obvious where this mess started.

No actually it's not. If you need to point fingers all the time and just beat on each other all the time, then it really becomes quite muddled. I mean if you are just going to insult each other at least keep it on topic. Every topic doesn't have to go 1 or 2 pages before it erupts into some kind of bitter struggle against your fellow RDM.

Hint, while you are fighting each other, nothing constructive is being done and no one cares about how bad RDM is because apparently we are a bunch of negative, abrasive trouble makers that can't even have a conversation with each other. Why should anyone help us when we can't even agree to help each other?

[ManaKing]

It actually took me a few minutes to figure out what they meant by NQ. I wasn't aware I had Normal Quality talking. Next time I'll respond in the vernacular.

On Topic before OP complains: /blu was kinda fun for laughing off certain NMs and still keeping Sang blade too though. I've heard of it being used for healing breeze at birds but never saw it as a necessity after finishing Vert merits and getting relic head.

Thank you. I appreciate that.

[ManaKing]

1 Thing at a time?

nonono, Good people can multi-task.

Oh shit, you can cast cures and nukes at the same time? My god I must have missed when they put double cast in the game. OH WAIT THEY DIDN'T. You can't do 2 things at the same time on any job. Multi-tasking is the result of doing 2 different things over a period of time, not at the same time.

If you are just trying to insult me for a laugh or you are bored, I don't care. I'm only pointing out that doing the same types of things as other jobs at reduced potency at the same rate as them is why RDM is essentially outdated and unequal to other jobs from a balance standpoint. That is one of RDMs problems. That is something that has to be accounted for when they are looking at re balancing RDM, if they have any interest in doing so.

[cidbahamut]

No actually it's not. If you need to point fingers all the time and just beat on each other all the time, then it really becomes quite muddled. I mean if you are just going to insult each other at least keep it on topic. Every topic doesn't have to go 1 or 2 pages before it erupts into some kind of bitter struggle against your fellow RDM.

Hint, while you are fighting each other, nothing constructive is being done and no one cares about how bad RDM is because apparently we are a bunch of negative, abrasive trouble makers that can't even have a conversation with each other. Why should anyone help us when we can't even agree to help each other?

Welcome to every Red Mage forum ever.

[Greatguardian]

Welcome to every Red Mage forum ever.

I was going to say something about this, then I realized that BG didn't have job-specific forums so this statement is 100% correct.

Which forums have Red Mage subforums? XIAH, Alla, and the OF. Yup, sounds about right.

Really, the issue isn't so petty as you make it sound, Mana. Red Mage is in a pretty shitty position right now, and it needs some tuning up. The problem is, some people want to tune up the absolute weakest facet of Red Mage because it fits their lore/mentality/playstyle and not because it would be most beneficial to the job in relation to the other 19 in the game.

Red Mage shined for years because of its magic. Right now, even with all the crap it gets, the real reason Red Mage has fallen behind is really more that they haven't received anything new in the past 20 levels while other jobs have been revamped to hell. If Red Mage's magic side were to receive a buff equivalent to the kind of upgrades Black Mage, White Mage, and Scholar got, it would be pretty damn well off.

If, instead, we got some sort of Melee buff, what then? Will people suddenly value Red Mage as a damage dealer? I don't think a lot of people here realize that people really will not suddenly applaud Red Mage Melee even if it gets a buff. Even if Red Mage's melee was brought in line with its Magical prowess, the position of the job in the overall scheme of things Would Not Change. No one needs magical swordsmen. It's a fun RPG archetype, and I almost always play one in The Elder Scrolls (believe it or not), but it's positively useless in the realm of an MMO like FFXI.

Look at Summoner. Look at Beastmaster. Look at pre-buff Scholar and pre-buff Puppetmaster. Good lord, look at Blue Mage. Look at Dark Knight.

Buffing the weakest aspect of jobs in order to make them more well-rounded is not viable. It will not change the desirability, and thus the usability, of the job at all. What happens when SE gives DRKs Occult Acumen? What happens when SE gives DRKs MAB on their Relic Armor, huh? That armor becomes Trash. What Dark Knight needs is a solid Melee buff, just like what Red Mage needs is a solid Magic buff. Appealing to the weakest link in hybrids is just a recipe for disaster.