Odin

[Soranika]

Maybe it proves Odin was just a fanservice for us to shut up about "SE, y u no give us new avatars?"

[Dreamin]

Maybe it proves Odin was just a fanservice for us to shut up about "SE, y u no give us new avatars?"

Exactly my view regarding Odin and our 2hr abilities in general. They clearly have no idea how typical SMN feels about SMN's 2hr (Alexander being the only real useful thing out of all now).

[Soranika]

Exactly my view regarding Odin and our 2hr abilities in general. They clearly have no idea how typical SMN feels about SMN's 2hr (Alexander being the only real useful thing out of all now).

Yeah. I really feel like there's absolutely no reason for Astral Flow to be so horrible. It detracts from what SMN have stood for in pretty much every FF game to date... Except XII and XIII.... they handled summoning HORRIBLY in my opinion. Maybe it stems to the concept of the way SMN are from XI.

[Dekusuta]

Yeah. I really feel like there's absolutely no reason for Astral Flow to be so horrible. It detracts from what SMN have stood for in pretty much every FF game to date... Except XII and XIII.... they handled summoning HORRIBLY in my opinion. Maybe it stems to the concept of the way SMN are from XI.

Summoner's can't be too powerful because it will break the game.

I think with the recent game changes, instead of making avatars like Odin that at one point in 2009 was all the rage because it would deal 9999 damage and knock 10% off the grind NMs to speed up kills, they should revise summoners to be more self sufficient and boost astral flow as an extended ability.

So shift the discussion away from (the next wasted 2hr Astral flow avatar with 1 buff or 1 ability) to a more powerful class of avatars that can be used for an extended period of time with the use of Astral flow.

Imagine Odin with regular summon perp, summonable only with Astral Flow, but sticks around for the duration until he is killed, dealing decent damage, perhaps with certain Wards and Rage pacts that are considered 'useful' to the group.

That would make Odin useful and AF useful and desirable without breaking the game.

Now, apply this idea to other new avatars.

[Malamasala]

Maybe it proves Odin was just a fanservice for us to shut up about "SE, y u no give us new avatars?"

No. Odin was to give us "New avatars that can stay out longer", don't you see it? At least that was what we all were waiting for those 2 years it took to add them.