FINAL FANTASY XI Job Adjustments Manifesto: Paladin

[Alerith]

I think we need to discuss the term "Useless" in this case.

"Useless" implies that a PLD can't do something.
This is far from the truth. The current problem is that PLD is not the BEST choice for most content.

Can a PLD tank Ogopogo, Dhroma Khimera, Glavoid, Orthrus, etc. etc. etc.? Hell yes.
Are they the best choice? Absolutely not.

You can still use a PLD for these tank slots. It's just that other jobs can deal out more damage while surviving.

Also, I really feel the need to point this out:

Paladin can do 9 elemental red procs out of the 10 that WAR can do. The only one PLD can't do that WAR can is Shadow of Death. For the love of god, take a damn PLD if they are offering red procs and you can't find a WAR. Worse case scenario, it's Katana, Great Katana or Shadow of Death, only one of which WAR would be able to do anyways.

Paladin can cover:
Red Lotus Blade, Seraph Blade, Seraph Strike, Earth Crusher, Sunburst, Cyclone, Energy Drain, Freezebite, Raiden Thrust

Other:
Shadow of Death, Blade: Ei, Tachi: Koki, Tachi: Jinpu

My stance on my beloved PLD job:

Paladin is an extremely versatile job. It's only as worthless as you make it.

[Zagen]

I think we need to discuss the term "Useless" in this case.

"Useless" implies that a PLD can't do something.
This is far from the truth. The current problem is that PLD is not the BEST choice for most content.

Can a PLD tank Ogopogo, Dhroma Khimera, Glavoid, Orthrus, etc. etc. etc.? Hell yes.
Are they the best choice? Absolutely not.

You can still use a PLD for these tank slots. It's just that other jobs can deal out more damage while surviving.

use·less   [yoos-lis]
adjective
1. of no use; not serving the purpose or any purpose; unavailing or futile: It is useless to reason with him.
2. without useful qualities; of no practical good: a useless person; a useless gadget.

Does the person filling the tank slot have a MNK/WAR/etc. leveled, a proc mage job, or WHM? Then PLD as an option is useless because they would be going as another job. Number 2 applies here when comparing other jobs as alternatives.

Edit: /NIN now allows for:
Katana 144 + 16 + 7(torque) + 5(hachimaki) + 5 (Tjukurrpa Ring) = 177
Great Katana 133 + 16 + 7(torque) + 5(hachimaki) + 5(Moepapa Annulet) + 5(bushi) = 171

So WAR is missing 1 Red proc and PLD 2.

[hideka]

"insert comment about fencer"
Paladin has a high amount of defense, so we are not thinking about adding a high amount of attack power on top of their defense currently.

not to be rude, but fencer is pretty freakin useless to warriors, the frequency at which they use their 1H & shield combo is absloustley MINISCULE when compared to the power houses of dual wield and raging rush. adding in fencer would give paladin a good boost in damage which in turn would help their threat. paladin hands down should be given more fencer traits then any job. i mean seriously, have you actualy looked at what fencer does? its +50 TP and 10% crit rate roughly.
what WS's does paladin use that TP bonus would be horribly broken on? Oh noes sanguine blade absorbed 20 more HP~! oh noes he can use spirit blade 50 TP sooner ! OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOESSSSS!! omg his vorpal blades got an extra critical hit ( and only half the time i might add), i mean for real you really need to re-evaluate that comment man >_> and if your just regurgitating the Dev teams comments, then slap them for me, because they very obviously dont ever play paladin.

[Akutenshi]

I was trying to get my friend to play the game so I directed him to http://www.finalfantasyxi.com/ When I went to that site myself I couldn't help but laugh. Clearly the cover for Abyssea collection is wrong. Ninja should be at the center next to the white mage, the paladin should be where the dancer is, and the dancer could take ninjas spot on the cover. If they did that most jobs would be represented accordingly lol

Kind of bummed about paladin though. It's a job I wouldn't mind leveling since I amassed most of the seals for it, but just the stuff I'm reading isn't really making me motivated to play it. Granted, I'm sure you can make paladin work with some effort and could find some fun it playing it, but with less effort I could play another job better and more efficiently.

If every job can pretty much evade damage while tanking in some form, why not just go the opposite route with paladin? Why not increase their defense even more? Not to the point where they can heal themselves obviously. Why not add more enmity to their personal cures too so they could heal themselves sparingly for more enmity but be smart since mp isn't usually infinite. Least this way you would still need a healer of some sort and paladin wouldn't be invincible. Why not have a JA that makes it so people around the paladin or in alliance/ party generate half or a 1/4 enmity or some form of generating less. They have a similar mechanic on some of the new armor that gives people around the person wearing it some benefit, I don't see why they couldn't do a similar mechanic for paladin.

[Aeonk]

I was trying to get my friend to play the game so I directed him to http://www.finalfantasyxi.com/ When I went to that site myself I couldn't help but laugh. Clearly the cover for Abyssea collection is wrong. Ninja should be at the center next to the white mage, the paladin should be where the dancer is, and the dancer could take ninjas spot on the cover. If they did that most jobs would be represented accordingly lol

Kind of bummed about paladin though. It's a job I wouldn't mind leveling since I amassed most of the seals for it, but just the stuff I'm reading isn't really making me motivated to play it. Granted, I'm sure you can make paladin work with some effort and could find some fun it playing it, but with less effort I could play another job better and more efficiently.

If every job can pretty much evade damage while tanking in some form, why not just go the opposite route with paladin? Why not increase their defense even more? Not to the point where they can heal themselves obviously. Why not add more enmity to their personal cures too so they could heal themselves sparingly for more enmity but be smart since mp isn't usually infinite. Least this way you would still need a healer of some sort and paladin wouldn't be invincible. Why not have a JA that makes it so people around the paladin or in alliance/ party generate half or a 1/4 enmity or some form of generating less. They have a similar mechanic on some of the new armor that gives people around the person wearing it some benefit, I don't see why they couldn't do a similar mechanic for paladin.

Someone hasn't tried voidwatch yet.

[Brolic]

Someone hasn't tried voidwatch yet.

As people get more and more familiar with vw the need for pld becomes less and less. We started off taking 2 plds to vw, we got better then switched to 1 now we're at the point where we just use ukko wars. between staggers and temps plds are barely needed for most of vw

[zagam]

As people get more and more familiar with vw the need for pld becomes less and less. We started off taking 2 plds to vw, we got better then switched to 1 now we're at the point where we just use ukko wars. between staggers and temps plds are barely needed for most of vw

Until you can guarantee wars getting full time drinks they still get one shotted way to much to be remotely good tanks. even with full time fanatics the magic still one shots them. Have you done anything past tier 2 cities?

[Brolic]

Until you can guarantee wars getting full time drinks they still get one shotted way to much to be remotely good tanks. even with full time fanatics the magic still one shots them. Have you done anything past tier 2 cities?

have you? You understand that periapts give fools as well right? and that capping mdt as war is pretty doable?

[zagam]

have you? You understand that periapts give fools as well right? and that capping mdt as war is pretty doable?

really? and mdt makes the damage 0 too right? If you're really suggesting war tanks for vw then show a vid of one full time tanking pil or aello or any number of VW nms and ill eat my words, I have a feeling im going to starve to death though.

[Sakima]

really? and mdt makes the damage 0 too right? If you're really suggesting war tanks for vw then show a vid of one full time tanking pil or aello or any number of VW nms and ill eat my words, I have a feeling im going to starve to death though.

May not let you take 0 dmg, but mdt/pdt sure adds alot of survival for mobs like Pil and Aello
for any job. I say this because i am a experienced tank on war and ninja even! on said mobs along the sides of other wars and monks, rarely will i drop to less then 1khp flank opening included. As said before why would you bring down the kill speed by having the focus on 1-2 pld tanks when said focus can be on a versatile dd tank? I can assure you there was no pld in the ally in our 2min 10 sec (give or take) Pil last night, no exaggeration i wasn't even the one timing it. Paladin is great damage mitigation no one is taking that away but while you awe in your aegis dmg taken i am getting multiple runs in.