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  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cljader1 View Post
    Soul Eater is not a damage multiplier idiot, it damage is 10% of the drk's maximum HP....where do you come up with bogus information and bogus math????
    It's an ambiguous definition, since a percentage is always a multiplier (x% of y being y*x/100).

    As was pointed out, nothing is broken. In fact, the only DD two-hour ability I know that can actually save a party is Meikyo Shusui (if it manages to kill the mob in that time), and occasionally Spirit Surge. Mighty Strikes also doesn't help much, same as Hundred Fists, and that's because these abilities weren't designed to save a dying party. They were actually designed to be able to prepare for harder fights (although Hundred Fists was all around badly designed). And if you prepare for those fights, Blood Weapon still excels, and not only with a Kraken Club. Even Ridill or Mercurial Kris DRK can put out ridiculous amounts of damage in that time. There simply is nothing to complain about.
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    Don't worry. Some people just don't understand basic algebra. When you can define arbitrary variables, it is fairly simple to treat Souleater as a damage multiplier. You simply have to account for the fact that the coefficient is a variable proportional to the DRK's current HP and inversely proportional to the DRK's base damage/hit.

    If Base Damage/Swing is 50, and you have 1000 HP, you are doing 170 damage/hit with Souleater+Blood Weapon. That is equivalent to a Damage Multiplier of 340%.

    Yup. I'm an idiot.

    Edit: For clarity, you are always able to rewrite Y = A+B as Y = A*C as long as you acknowledge that C is a variable based on the ratio between B and A. hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr high school maaaaath
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    Last edited by Greatguardian; 11-09-2011 at 04:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    Don't worry. Some people just don't understand basic algebra. When you can define arbitrary variables, it is fairly simple to treat Souleater as a damage multiplier. You simply have to account for the fact that the coefficient is a variable proportional to the DRK's current HP and inversely proportional to the DRK's base damage/hit.

    If Base Damage/Swing is 50, and you have 1000 HP, you are doing 170 damage/hit with Souleater+Blood Weapon. That is equivalent to a Damage Multiplier of 340%.

    Yup. I'm an idiot.

    Edit: For clarity, you are always able to rewrite Y = A+B as Y = A*C as long as you acknowledge that C is a variable based on the ratio between B and A. hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr high school maaaaath
    Its just a straight 10% of the drk's current hp thats all....I dont know what type of math your trying to put out but its 10% of drk hp thats it, your formula didnt make sense and soul eater is not a damage multipier but rather a straight 10% of the drk current hp which is convert into damage and with bloodweapon it just augments the hp return
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cljader1 View Post
    Its just a straight 10% of the drk's current hp thats all....I dont know what type of math your trying to put out but its 10% of drk hp thats it, your formula didnt make sense and soul eater is not a damage multipier but rather a straight 10% of the drk current hp which is convert into damage and with bloodweapon it just augments the hp return
    How old are you? If you're <=16, I'd understand if you just plain haven't taken many math courses and I'll leave you be. Suffice to say, I'm not sure if I can explain it any more simply =/.

    Y = Damage dealt with Souleater+BW.
    A = Base Damage dealt w/o SE/BW
    B = Damaged added from SE/BW = Current HP * 0.12

    Standard equation for SE+BW damage is Y = A+B

    This can be rewritten as Y = A*C as long as you define C to be:

    C = (A+B)/A
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    If Base Damage/Swing is 50, and you have 1000 HP, you are doing 170 damage/hit with Souleater+Blood Weapon. That is equivalent to a Damage Multiplier of 340%
    Your wrong bud, if Base Damage/Swing is 50, and you have 1000 HP, you are doing 150 damage for the FIRST hit and not 170 damage/hit, its just a straight 10% increase to your base damage. Furthermore its 10% of drk's current hp, and bloodweapon will make the damage static because of the hp return of the 2hr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cljader1 View Post
    Your wrong bud, if Base Damage/Swing is 50, and you have 1000 HP, you are doing 150 damage for the FIRST hit and not 170 damage/hit, its just a straight 10% increase to your base damage. Furthermore its 10% of drk's current hp, and bloodweapon will make the damage static because of the hp return of the 2hr
    1) We're only talking about Souleater in the context of Blood Weapon, so it is always the same damage per hit.

    2) Enhances Souleater gear. It enhances the bonus to 12% of current HP. Why do I know more about DRK than you? Mine's 37.

    3) Read my previous post if you still don't understand the math.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    How old are you? If you're <=16, I'd understand if you just plain haven't taken many math courses and I'll leave you be. Suffice to say, I'm not sure if I can explain it any more simply =/.

    Y = Damage dealt with Souleater+BW.
    A = Base Damage dealt w/o SE/BW
    B = Damaged added from SE/BW = Current HP * 0.12 Wrong

    Standard equation for SE+BW damage is Y = A+B

    This can be rewritten as Y = A*C as long as you define C to be:

    C = (A+B)/A
    First off I'm a college professor, second how many times can I say your wrong its simple, change your value to 10% and then add in a variable that account for the drk's current HP and then your math formula will work. Basically right now, your souleater percentage is wrong and your missing a variable to account for the drks current HP. Get your math right before you try to use it as a argument or talking piont
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cljader1 View Post
    First off I'm a college professor, second how many times can I say your wrong its simple, change your value to 10% and then add in a variable that account for the drk's current HP and then your math formula will work. Basically right now, your souleater percentage is wrong and your missing a variable to account for the drks current HP. Get your math right before you try to use it as a argument or talking piont
    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    The Enhances "Souleater" Effect, found on Chaos Burgeonet/(+1), Gloom Breastplate, or Sable Cuisses, adds an additional 2% to the effect, dealing 12% of the Dark Knight's current HP instead of 10%. This enhancement does not stack from multiple pieces.
    B also accounts for current HP. B = Current HP * 0.12.

    What do you teach?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    1) We're only talking about Souleater in the context of Blood Weapon, so it is always the same damage per hit.

    2) Enhances Souleater gear. It enhances the bonus to 12% of current HP. Why do I know more about DRK than you? Mine's 37.

    3) Read my previous post if you still don't understand the math.
    What are you talking about there nothing in you formula that accounts for outliners like gear...how can you give a formula with so many hidden values??? No one can solve a equation with hidden values in the formula, you failed to put any of that in your formula and as result your formula is bogus. Moreover the first formula you put up I believe you did it just to confuse people, however now you trying to clean it up but I'm sorry its still wrong simply based on the formula you have provided
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    Jesus Christ.

    Is it that hard to understand that Y = A+B can be rewritten as Y = A*C when C = (A+B)/A?

    Simplify the second equation and you just get Y = A+B, the only difference is you have a product there instead of a sum. Thus, a multiplier.

    Please. Please. Please. Just go by the Math department and ask one of the profs there to run through the equation for you. This is really just getting ridiculous.
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