Add New Jobs to Relic Weapons - Past Due for an Explanation

[Raksha]

Yes, people who level the new jobs should have to get a new relic for them. It would be unfair to other players for them to start out having the super weapon for that job before anyone has even leveled that job or knew what kind of weapons it used.

I hate to bring this up again, but, if I lvl RNG, and get the relic bow, then decide I want to lvl SAM/RNG to also use the bow, would I have to make a 2nd relic bow just to use for SAM? Because it seems to me that is what you are implying should happen.

I have a friend who Got a Mandau for her THF and decided to lvl BRD and RDM to use it also, are you saying she should have had to make 2 more Mandaus?

[hiko]

No. Blue mage being slapped on Excalibur means people who already got Excalibur long before Blue Mage came out get suddenly have the super weapon for that job the moment the job is released. That wouldn't be fair to the people who didn't know ahead of time that BLU was going to get the sword relic and that they could start working on the job's super weapon before the job even comes out.

what?
because BLU was able to equip exca when BLU was released? or BLU doesn't exist yet and will only exist after SE add em on exca? we dont ask SE to get a time machineso they can go add blu on exca on AU release but to ad a job that existed for 5years on some older item

and how is that different than a RDM get exca then unlock and lvl PLD ?

your point is just stupid!

[Asymptotic]

I'm aware of this but it doesn't effect DNC that much outside of abyssea as they don't have a particularly high DA or TA rate without atmas. 13% DA (23% if /war) and 3% TA? I may be forgetting a bunch of gear since I haven't leveled DNC because it can't use Mandau. But.. using those numbers:

Saber Dance!

[Alhanelem]

I have a friend who Got a Mandau for her THF and decided to lvl BRD and RDM to use it also, are you saying she should have had to make 2 more Mandaus?

No, I'm not saying that at all. That dagger was created with those jobs in consideration. It was not created with DNC in consideration. DNC was not even out when the weapon was created. I feel it would be unfair for people to automatically have the best weapon for a NEW job when it comes out when everyone had to work for the best of most of the rest of the gear after the job's release. It also punishes people who started working on a relic with the understanding of what jobs could use it, only to have that suddenly change. I imagine there are some people who got this or that relic that would have regretted getting it if they knew they were going to play a new job and it used a different relic.

Maybe it seems kind of silly, and it's fine if you think so. I'm only giving an opinion, and I'm not trying to force you to agree with it. By all means, hate it, disagree with it if you want.

I haven't leveled DNC because it can't use Mandau.

Honestly one of the silliest things I've ever heard. It just goes to show how lazy relic users can be and how entitled to everything they feel they are. Heaven forbid you should need to get a new weapon for DNC. What if DNC didn't use daggers in the first place? Would you still be refusing to play it purely because you can't use your relic on it?

Regardless of what you think of the opinion I gave, SE has already weighed in on this. I don't really see any reason why this has to keep going on and on.

[Kimble]

Regardless of what you think of the opinion I gave, SE has already weighed in on this. I don't really see any reason why this has to keep going on and on.

Because the more and more people that show they want this change, the more and more SE will look further into and make this change.

They said they wont do it now, they didn't say they never will.

[Raksha]

No, I'm not saying that at all. That dagger was created with those jobs in consideration. It was not created with DNC in consideration. DNC was not even out when the weapon was created. I feel it would be unfair for people to automatically have the best weapon for a NEW job when it comes out when everyone had to work for the best of most of the rest of the gear after the job's release. It also punishes people who started working on a relic with the understanding of what jobs could use it, only to have that suddenly change. I imagine there are some people who got this or that relic that would have regretted getting it if they knew they were going to play a new job and it used a different relic.

You are right, that sounds very silly to me.

A newbie DNC who has to work for their Mandau is no different from a newbie THF who has to work for their Mandau. I seriously don't see how you can't understand this. If relics had been released before RotZ, would you be arguing that SAM shouldn't be added to the bow? or BRD shouldn't be added to the dagger? Or SMN shouldn't be added to Claustrum?

[Alhanelem]

A newbie DNC who has to work for their Mandau is no different from a newbie THF who has to work for their Mandau.

It's very different. This isn't about a newbie making a new weapon. this is about people who already have the weapon before another job that might use it even exists.

Or SMN shouldn't be added to Claustrum?

Summoner does not require Zilart and isn't officially a Zilart job.

But yes, jobs should not be added to the weapons after the fact when those weapons were not designed with the existence of those jobs in mind. SE typically responded to this issue by adding new items.

[Suirieko]

You have no basis to declare the argument invalid. Your statement has no relevance to mine.

Basically, you want all existing staff/dagger/sword/gun relicholders to have a free pass to the ultimate weapons for the new jobs. We get it, I disagree and I feel that they must do some work before they have the best gear for a new job.

You're not going to convince me, I'm not going to convince you, it's time we ignore eachother and be on our way.

Wrong. Working on a relic, even at this point of the game is NOT an easy endeavor. These jobs have already been around for far more than 4 years. Getting relic weapon, alone, is enough as it is. This isn't a free pass. They already spent a lot of effort making a relic weapon, why should they work on another relic weapon just for one job.

I'm close to finishing mandau myself for my THF, why do I have to work on another dagger when bard and red mage can also use mandau. This makes no sense.

Those five jobs shouldn't even be considered as new. Dancer and Scholar has been around for 4 years. Corsair, Blue Mage, and Puppetmaster has been around for five years.

Not to mention nearly every relic weapons are equipable by multiple jobs. So therefore, there is no reason for new relics to be made JUST because those 5 jobs are newer.

Basically what you're saying is, at the time I'll be getting Mandau, THF would the only job i have that could equip it. Leveling Red Mage and Bard to use it would be getting "free pass" to the weapon. The only different is, Dancer is a newer job compared to RDM and BRD. So I agree, that is a flawed and silly argument.

[Kimble]

It's very different. This isn't about a newbie making a new weapon. this is about people who already have the weapon before another job that might use it even exists.

Summoner does not require Zilart and isn't officially a Zilart job.

But yes, jobs should not be added to the weapons after the fact. SE typically responded to this issue by adding new items.

So, anyone that had Homam, Nashira, Crimson gear before BLU came out, should have to go back and re get those items if they got it before BLU was put on it back then?

SE was being shortsighted by not planning this change when they were planning to add new jobs. Hell it took them like, 2 years before they even added af1+1 and af2 for COR/BLU/PUP. This is just another thing that they have been dragging their ass on that needs to be changed.

Not everything SE does is right.

[Alhanelem]

why do I have to work on another dagger when bard and red mage can also use mandau.

BECAUSE YOU DO! Making a relic doesn't give you some kind of magic entitlement to have the best weapon for every job that could use a dagger. It was designed for specific jobs, and those specific jobs only. X job and Y job using a weapon does not automatically mean job Z should also be able to use it.

Maybe they should have made a single relic weapon, and made it all jobs. It magically morphs to whatever weapon class your have the highest skill in. That way everyone would only need to make one superweapon to have the best weapon for every job in the game.

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Those five jobs shouldn't even be considered as new.

I'm not speaking about right now. I'm speaking about when those jobs were released. Does a passage of X number of years suddenly justify a change?

So, anyone that had Homam, Nashira, Crimson gear before BLU came out, should have to go back and re get those items if they got it before BLU was put on it back then?

Huh? No, absolutely not. If an item has the job on it, then it has the job on it. We're talking about items that do not have the job, not items that do.

SE was being shortsighted by not planning this change when they were planning to add new jobs. Hell it took them like, 2 years before they even added af1+1 and af2 for COR/BLU/PUP. This is just another thing that they have been dragging their ass on that needs to be changed.

I 100% agree it was shortsighted- obviously they don't plan as far in advance as we might expect. That doesn't mean this situation needs changing, however.

It boggles my mind why people are even arguing about this when in essentially all cases, the options already given to these jobs are better than the relics. This is something that simply just doesn't need to be done. This is really such a trivial issue.