Blood Weapon is not a 2hr Camate, please help!

[Alhanelem]

You have a conscious choice between doing things quickly, and doing things poorly/slowly.

If "doing things quickly vs doing things slowly" is a matter of picking Ninja over any of the 19 other jobs, then there is a balance problem in the game. Period.

(Even though it's really a total load of crap, and if I could just get someone with time to help farm up the pops, I could brew all my azdaja tusks in a day. I'm certainly not going to get those vacant bugard eyes fast on ninja. I did most of my sedna tusks in one shot, no ninja involved. Ninja certainly doesn't help any pre-abyssea trial go any faster either)

[Greatguardian]

If "doing things quickly vs doing things slowly" is a matter of picking Ninja over any of the 19 other jobs, then there is a balance problem in the game. Period.

Herp derp Ninja applies to everything.

It's as if people really do intentionally ignore the vast majority of FFXI's content any time it suits them.

Edit: OH LOOK, A CHALLENGER APPEARS. YES, THERE ARE THINGS YOU SHOULD NOT BE ON NINJA FOR. HOLEE MOLEE, I THINK YOU MADE MY POINT FOR ME.

[Alhanelem]

Herp derp Ninja applies to everything.

It's as if people really do intentionally ignore the vast majority of FFXI's content any time it suits them.

Edit: OH LOOK, A CHALLENGER APPEARS. YES, THERE ARE THINGS YOU SHOULD NOT BE ON NINJA FOR. HOLEE MOLEE, I THINK YOU MADE MY POINT FOR ME.

If what you mean is different from what you say, then you should try saying something else, because you obviously aren't saying what you really mean if my response elicits a post like this.

Most people aren't choosing between getting something done faster and getting it done slower. Most people are choosing between getting it done at all and not getting it done.

another edit:

just sit back and wonder if your playing Summoner is worth wasting so much of your friends time.

The fact you consider playing summoner to be wasting other peoples time is a problem in of itself. This has been covered numerous times. If you don't think this is a problem, then you're just plain wrong. it IS a problem. Of course, I'm only naming jobs here because you did. I was speaking generally in my previous posts.

[Greatguardian]

If what you mean is different from what you say, then you should try saying something else, because you obviously aren't saying what you really mean if my response elicits a post like this.

Most people aren't choosing between getting something done faster and getting it done slower. Most people are choosing between getting it done at all and not getting it done.

another edit: The fact you consider playing summoner to be wasting other peoples time is a problem in of itself. This has been covered numerous times. If you don't think this is a problem, then you're just plain wrong. it IS a problem. Of course, I'm only naming jobs here because you did. I was speaking generally in my previous posts.

Christ, I'm going to have to be incredibly specific every time I post then. It's not like I've stated 500,000 times on these boards that varying situations call for varying jobs. You're the one who seems to infer that Ninja or Monk can apply to everything in the game, which is just plain wrong.

Ninja is what you generally want to use if you're building Empyrean weapons, because it has red procs. That is the context it was brought up in. If cleaving is faster? Go cleave, screw Ninja. Summoner was also brought up in that same context, farming Empyrean weapons. If you're using a Summoner instead of Red procs, you're slowing everyone down by a huge margin. Point out where any of this starts sounding ridiculous, please.

I am talking single contexts where certain jobs are better than others. You are trying to extrapolate that context to the entire game and then say that it's unbalanced that the context encompasses the entire game. Do you see how you just might be being a little dense about this?

Using Ninja where a Summoner would be better is retarded. Using Summoner where a Ninja would be better is retarded. If you want to be retarded, no one is going to stop you. We're just going to wonder how you sleep at night dragging your friends out to help you with shit that takes 5 times longer than it should because you're being selfish and stubborn.

If you can't farm Briareus at all on Summoner, maybe that's because you don't have friends that are willing to be taken advantage of to such a degree and dammit, good for them.

[Darkwizardzin]

I think people should take a deep breath, step back, and wait until the new 2hrs/old 2hr merits come out. There isn't much of a point complaining about this until then because SE isn't just going to work on this kind of thing atm (right now they are working on the relic +1 stuff and ect.).

[Malamasala]

If a job has a problem, that problem should be fixed. The solution to that problem shouldn't be "play a job that doesn't suck as bad."

Funny how that has been my argument for 10 years on spirits, but nobody ever supported me on that. But you seem to have no problems thinking these ways about other content.

what?
Dynamis I agree with, as their AF2 is the best all around AF2 in the game...Salvage?

I think someone is insane because Salvage has the worst drops for SMN. I don't think they had anything except the occasional summoning skill that was even related to SMN.

[Camiie]

what?
Dynamis I agree with, as their AF2 is the best all around AF2 in the game...Salvage?

Yes some of the Marduk set was useful for SMN. The comment you bolded was meant to refer to both Dynamis and Salvage.

[Camiie]

I think someone is insane because Salvage has the worst drops for SMN. I don't think they had anything except the occasional summoning skill that was even related to SMN.

I'm the one you're referring to as insane. Not sure why you want to resort to name calling, but whatever. Don't know what I ever did to you.

[Reiterpallasch]

ITT: Bad players that are bad at the game because they're bad think that one job being better than another at one facet of the game, suddenly makes that one job overpowered and all the others suck.

Every job is generally better at another for any given situation. In a game where we have 20 different choices, you can not make everything perfectly balanced to where they're all equally useful. What exactly would be the point in having 20 jobs then if they were all the same, with no strengths or weaknesses that set them apart from others...?

Luckily for all the bad players out there, you can change to a different job that actually is useful, so that you can get better gear for that your job that (get this) is likely going to be better suited towards another event.

So, SCH solod Shinryu and you can't? Who gives a flying @#$%? God forbid a job that hasn't been useful for a while is able to solo old content on the test server.

[Camiie]

Every job is generally better at another for any given situation. In a game where we have 20 different choices, you can not make everything perfectly balanced to where they're all equally useful. What exactly would be the point in having 20 jobs then if they were all the same, with no strengths or weaknesses that set them apart from others...?

They don't have to be the same... This is what people don't get. They can play very differently and still end up being similarly effective. Maybe not exactly the same, but close enough where you don't feel you're gimping your party by bringing one job over the other. That's balance.