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    Player Chriscoffey's Avatar
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    The strongest 6hit I found outside full buffs + LR up was:

    Caladbolg/Rose/---/Hagneia
    Zelus/Houyi's/Bale/Brutal
    Armada/Bale +2/Tyrant's/Rajas
    Tactical/Goading/Calmecac/Ace's
    I am curious about your set Taint that "owns" his 6 hit. Could you quite possibly list the gear so I do a little figuring of my own. Thank you sir.
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    Last edited by Chriscoffey; 11-02-2011 at 03:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chriscoffey View Post
    I am curious about your set Taint that "owns" his 6 hit. Could you quite possibly list the gear so I do a little figuring of my own. Thank you sir.

    Set 1
    http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/235057

    Set 2
    http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/235052
    DA3 stp6 armada

    One of Cala's/DRKs biggest flaws is the gear needed to cap haste lacks ACC.
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    Last edited by Taint2; 11-02-2011 at 06:43 AM.
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    I still get that 6hit is better when you have accuracy capped even w/ sword strap factored in.

    Ofc sword strap has no effect when haste is capped as well so it's basically pole grip over rose there.
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    Unless I'm missing something, those are 8-hits. A 7-hit with Sword Strap would be something like Rajas/Brutal/Hagneia/Goading/Ace's, which is less flexible than a Pole Grip 7-hit and likely slightly behind it as well.
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    Player Nightfyre's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rezeak View Post
    I still get that 6hit is better when you have accuracy capped even w/ sword strap factored in.

    Ofc sword strap has no effect when haste is capped as well so it's basically pole grip over rose there.
    Post all sets you're comparing.

    EDIT: Ideal 7-hit is probably

    Calad/Pole/---/Hagneia
    Bale/Ganesha's/Bale/Brutal
    Bale +2*/Bale +2/Strigoi/Rajas
    Atheling/Goading/Calmecac/Ace's

    *=Ace's is potentially slightly better, how you feel about the Subtle Blow -15 and inv-1 will probably have more of an impact on your decision than the <1% change in DPS.

    Suggestions welcome, if I don't find any improvements I'll write out some math on this vs the 6-hit I posted vs Taint's set later.

    EDIT2: Unless Taint corrects me on his sets, I'll also compare an optimized Sword Strap 8-hit. This should be a fairly easy set to optimize since you need very little STP... Possibly too easy, you only need 2 STP in your TP build so slots where you'd normally see STP (Rajas) may instead see marginal gains from something like Pyrosoul in a capped hitrate set since Brutal + Ace's would be your best option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightfyre View Post
    Post all sets you're comparing.

    EDIT: Ideal 7-hit is probably

    Calad/Pole/---/Hagneia
    Bale/Ganesha's/Bale/Brutal
    Bale +2*/Bale +2/Strigoi/Rajas
    Atheling/Goading/Calmecac/Ace's

    *=Ace's is potentially slightly better, how you feel about the Subtle Blow -15 and inv-1 will probably have more of an impact on your decision than the <1% change in DPS.

    Suggestions welcome, if I don't find any improvements I'll write out some math on this vs the 6-hit I posted vs Taint's set later.

    EDIT2: Unless Taint corrects me on his sets, I'll also compare an optimized Sword Strap 8-hit. This should be a fairly easy set to optimize since you need very little STP... Possibly too easy, you only need 2 STP in your TP build so slots where you'd normally see STP (Rajas) may instead see marginal gains from something like Pyrosoul in a capped hitrate set since Brutal + Ace's would be your best option.

    You know whats funny is I took rose, tyrants and Hag out of my sets and never put them back. They should be in there.

    At capped haste a 6hit won't beat a 7hit. Pretty sure I already said it, but at 80% haste WS delay plays a bigger factor (adv. 7hit) and human error not WSs at exactly 100tp. (adv 7hit) DA/TA always favor a 7hit as well. As we've found out a simple change from Tactical > Atheling is enough to warrant the extra hit.


    Edit: Just mathed it in the DPC calc.

    Fodder mob (capped acc/att)

    Inside Abyssea 7hit set 1 > 7hit set 2 > 6hit

    Outside Capped 6hit > 7hit set 2 > 7hit set 1
    Outside not capped (LRdown,no marches) 7hit set 2 > 6hit > 7 hit set 1

    The stp6/da3 Armadaberk makes a big difference for the 6hit.

    The second you aren't capped on Att or are under the haste cap the 7hit pulls ahead rapidly.
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    Last edited by Taint2; 11-02-2011 at 07:01 AM.
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    Player Nightfyre's Avatar
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    Good to know, thanks for the heads up.

    Also I realize I keep talking in terms of "ideal" or very strong builds. This is because 6-hit Calad requires a lot of gear to even be feasible, and even then you lose a lot unless you have very strong gear for it. Since you have to go out of your way to get said gear, it makes sense to compare other sets that also use strong gear.
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    Player Chriscoffey's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taint2 View Post
    You know whats funny is I took rose, tyrants and Hag out of my sets and never put them back. They should be in there.

    At capped haste a 6hit won't beat a 7hit. Pretty sure I already said it, but at 80% haste WS delay plays a bigger factor (adv. 7hit) and human error not WSs at exactly 100tp. (adv 7hit) DA/TA always favor a 7hit as well. As we've found out a simple change from Tactical > Atheling is enough to warrant the extra hit.


    Edit: Just mathed it in the DPC calc.

    Fodder mob (capped acc/att)

    Inside Abyssea 7hit set 1 > 7hit set 2 > 6hit

    Outside Capped 6hit > 7hit set 2 > 7hit set 1
    Outside not capped (LRdown,no marches) 7hit set 2 > 6hit > 7 hit set 1

    The stp6/da3 Armadaberk makes a big difference for the 6hit.

    The second you aren't capped on Att or are under the haste cap the 7hit pulls ahead rapidly.
    Thanks. I like to see sets that actually can be compared rather than DO AS I SAY routine. I was wondering is it possible to get the stp 6 on a NQ Ebody or 5 is the highest that anyone has gotten?
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    Last edited by Chriscoffey; 11-02-2011 at 02:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taint2 View Post
    One of Cala's/DRKs biggest flaws is the gear needed to cap haste lacks ACC.
    Oh god this. It's one of the few reasons I was happy to get a Mars's Ring so cheap
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chriscoffey View Post
    Thanks. I like to see sets that actually can be compared rather than DO AS I SAY routine. I was wondering is it possible to get the stp 6 on a NQ Ebody or 5 is the highest that anyone has gotten?

    5stp 2da is cap on NQ
    6stp 3da is cap on HQ
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