Soooo Walk of Echoes is already dying...

[Alhanelem]

The rewards are finite and once you get what you are after there is no reason for you to go back.

They're finite, but they take a while to get, and you might want to do more than one weapon, thus some people may stay longer. Frankly I'm suprised more people aren't putting up with the big pains that are #9 and #10 because of the additional source of Comet which is still very valuable.

[Creelo]

Would like to comment and say WoE is definitely dying on Sylph, and it's noticeable in the prices reflected on some of the more valuable pieces of WoE gear.

Example: Flume Belt

Used to be 100k for awhile until people stopped doing Flux 11, and now it's steadily jumped up to 1.5mil. (Cursing myself for waiting so long on buying one...*sigh*)

Last Chersos Helm sold for 3mil, but there's also usually never up on the AH. x.x

[Eldelphia]

Walk of Echoes is not ok on Shiva. There are some times of the day where you can struggle through but it seems to be stuck on #7 or #9 spam.

[Babygyrl]

WoE is dieing on our server as well, and i knew it would! as fun as it is with the new way its set up, the fact that you have to clear to get anything turns a lot of people off, and if you dont have enough people doing it it becomes impossible to clear.. cant you guys make it more like Namis.. Solo and group friendly? the games population is too low to rely on groups for things anymore..

and alsot to note everyone only does 7 or 9 on our server as well, its rather annoying..

[Alhanelem]

Walk of Echoes is not ok on Shiva. There are some times of the day where you can struggle through but it seems to be stuck on #7 or #9 spam.

(Uh... I think you mean #8 not #9) You can do either of these at almost any time, last I checked. People don't want to do the other three because they're "too hard." Once everything is beaten, it's only natural that people will gravitate to the easiest ones, because the only things most people care about are coins and dice.

[Mirage]

What I'd want to see "fixed" is devious die drops. Currently, the going rate for these seems to be 60-100k each. You need 100, so that's 6-10 millions for a weapon that's still inferior to a lv85 empyrean weapon.

What I also think needs to be done, is to make WoE weapons at least as good as the previous tier Empy of the same type, meaning:

The performance of a lv95 Maschu should be extremely close to a lv90 ukonvasara, and significantly better than a lv85 ukonvasara. As mentioned earlier, this isn't the case at all. With the current trend of WoE weapon progression, even a level 99 WoE will be inferior to a 85 empy. I think this is terrible gear progression, and to be honest, I think even lv99 AH weapons should be better than lv85 empys.

A solution to this could be to increase Die drops by 50%, and then also add heavy metal plates as drops in WoE, at a bit lower rate than the current die drops. I think this would make more people do WoE, either for their own Empy upgrades, or selling the plates for profit. This would in turn probably make it easier to get coins, because you wouldn't have as many periods where you couldn't get help with killing stuff, and it would make a lot more dies come into circulation, pushing the prices of them down.

[Eri]

I'm with Mirage here as thu... WoE is not dieing on Sylph yet. It is Dead on NA times. Its pretty good while JP times thu! I'm just upgardeing Weapons since i have them. Farmed 58/100 Dice (and made like a few Mil while at that).

Here is the thing though! If they add skillups to WoE, i could see NA Players come again. If the Skillup rates are decent.

Now to Weapons.

While i can see 85 Emp Beat an 99 WoE as it is now. Maybe SE will just add other bonuses like Sphere or Aura
and not Flat DPS, i would like to think so...

Or just make it JSE by 99, put Job Bonusses on there, there is still potental....

WoE are not an easy way to get. More or less they are more work and need more commitment to make,
ppl with an Empy coud potentally buy the Drops. WoE you gotta do Shit...
well unless the Dice but due to awful Prices and lack of real Content... I rather farm these.... keep me busy :P

[Leonlionheart]

Add VW specific mats to WoE as a very rare drop.

Honestly the HQ versions of the hats are the only ones worth spending gil in most situations, and they are incredibly rare because of the VW specific mats.

It's fine that the mats are rare as they are now, but there is near to no incentive to do most of the T3 fights that drop the mats.

No this is not a fix to WoE in general, but it is more reason to do it for gil.

[Mirage]

Stuff

It's pretty dead during EU primetime (as if that actually exists) too. But if that's usually when you play, maybe our paths will cross now and then. I've just recently started doing some WoE with a few friends.

[MDenham]

They've added fluxes 12-15 to the test server, so we should see another wave of people heading in in another month or so, but I don't know if that's going to help any with fluxes other than 11.