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  1. #41
    Player Jar's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rezeak View Post
    6 hit needs 52 store tp i know i can get this w/ full haste gear using carabonara /SAM i don't see how you can't get this not /SAM ( i can drop carabonara for atheling but tactical mantle Blows)

    VW hit builds are easy u need like 45 store tp .
    optimal xhit for caladbolg is still a 7hit

    all 6hit builds lose still
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  2. #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jar View Post
    optimal xhit for caladbolg is still a 7hit

    all 6hit builds lose still
    Honestly i don't see how a 6hit can be beaten you do get restricted on some WS gear but +20% more WSes easily out does that.

    http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/235603
    Attila's Earring can be replaced by Wotg regain earring and it should allow around 5-10 store tp to be removed for WS.
    Either way this set w/ Carabonara allows a 6 hit at 25% haste (26% haste if ya use ace's legs but -10 acc is large cost)

    Only time i can say that there would be an issue is when acc is an issue and you need to use sushi but thats pretty rare. (VW you only need 45ish stp to sustain ur hit build)
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    Last edited by Rezeak; 10-24-2011 at 03:22 PM.
    Main : 99 DRK
    Subs : 99 SMN COR SCH MELEEWHM
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    Relics : 95 Ragnarok and 95 Apoc
    Ironic that when i was young i never had enough video games but now i have too many and not enough time to play them .

  3. #43
    Player Jar's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rezeak View Post
    Honestly i don't see how a 6hit can be beaten you do get restricted on some WS gear but +20% more WSes easily out does that.

    http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/235603
    Attila's Earring can be replaced by Wotg regain earring and it should allow around 5-10 store tp to be removed for WS.
    Either way this set w/ Carabonara allows a 6 hit at 25% haste (26% haste if ya use ace's legs but -10 acc is large cost)

    Only time i can say that there would be an issue is when acc is an issue and you need to use sushi but thats pretty rare. (VW you only need 45ish stp to sustain ur hit build)
    using WoE regain earring make your 6hit lose out on that full 20% bonus because you lose the TP bonus that could have been on it

    losses to attack and double attack also factor into it losing.. trust me id love to have a good 6hit but right now it does not win.(also your posted set is not a 6hit you need to WS in almost all of that STP making it lose by a tremendous amount.)
    This is a 6hit 5stp or more on the body and you only need to keep brutal both rings and the grip on for WS this is the optimal 6hit and its a smiggin better than a 7hit for weak monsters.

    id give more specific but i'm not really playing much anymore and unless they get a good update in there soon i doubt ill pick this game up agian anytime soon. (plus trying to start an indie game thing while im in school and that takes alot of time.) should msg me on FFXIAH and ill find the indepth testing i did and msg it back at you when i have time.

    edit: spelling and added new info/link
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    Last edited by Jar; 10-24-2011 at 10:39 PM.

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    Any xhit that requires moonshade regain is garbage, quote me on that. There is no good 6hit for Caladborg currently, all the 7hits will win out.
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  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jar View Post
    using WoE regain earring make your 6hit lose out on that full 20% bonus because you lose the TP bonus that could have been on it
    except you can acully have the 4% bonus (20 tp bonus = 4% more WS DMG) and still sustain the six hit.

    Either way the loss in WS equal doesn't equal -20% WS DMG it's pretty much that simple.

    As for tp bonus vs regain i'll choose regain because you don't constantly melee in stuff like VW so having regain is better for DRK as a whole imo.

    Either way u need to get 65 VIT in gear or 160ish attack in the gear lost for a 7 hit to beat a 6 hit

    Now idm if ya feel that 7 hit > 6 hit but the maths ( i have done at least shows 6 hit to be a decent amount ahead)

    As a side note if ya spamming red curry bun then yes 7 hit is better use the above build BUT using tactical mantle w/ red curry bun pushs 6 hit back ahead.
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    Last edited by Rezeak; 10-25-2011 at 06:21 AM.
    Main : 99 DRK
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    Ironic that when i was young i never had enough video games but now i have too many and not enough time to play them .

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    Player Jar's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rezeak View Post
    except you can acully have the 4% bonus (20 tp bonus = 4% more WS DMG) and still sustain the six hit.

    Either way the loss in WS equal doesn't equal -20% WS DMG it's pretty much that simple.

    As for tp bonus vs regain i'll choose regain because you don't constantly melee in stuff like VW so having regain is better for DRK as a whole imo.

    Either way u need to get 65 VIT in gear or 160ish attack in the gear lost for a 7 hit to beat a 6 hit

    Now idm if ya feel that 7 hit > 6 hit but the maths ( i have done at least shows 6 hit to be a decent amount ahead)

    As a side note if ya spamming red curry bun then yes 7 hit is better use the above build BUT using tactical mantle w/ red curry bun pushs 6 hit back ahead.
    if you really TP in that set you posted i feel sorry for your math teachers
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    man Im so tired of derails, it you cant stay on topic gtfo
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    Why does every drk thread derail into how your drk gear is setup?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anathiel View Post
    Why does every drk thread derail into how your drk gear is setup?
    Because when someone is incompetent enough to get a regain moonshade something needs to be said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cljader1 View Post
    man Im so tired of derails, it you cant stay on topic gtfo
    Better topics need to be made, then.
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