[dev1007] Voidwatch: Obtaining Spoils

[detlef]

Drop rates are low because they are meant to be RARE items. Not items that can be found on a lvl 95 mule account. History states that you have to grind for the best gear in the game.

This is exactly what happens. You are funny.

[Chimerawizard]

I love the fact that there can be multiple of the same item drop, and since it's everyone's own pyxis, there is no loot whoring, drama, ninja lots, or any of the other things that happen to a loot pool. I really would like the pyxis to do a check for rare or rare/ex items so they don't just hit the floor.
If that's too hard to code, adding the option to add spoils to the loot pool would be awsome.

[Sparthos]

I love the fact that there can be multiple of the same item drop, and since it's everyone's own pyxis, there is no loot whoring, drama, ninja lots, or any of the other things that happen to a loot pool. I really would like the pyxis to do a check for rare or rare/ex items so they don't just hit the floor.
If that's too hard to code, adding the option to add spoils to the loot pool would be awsome.

There would be no drama with a point system but instead we get collective suffering where everyone gets Elm Logs together.

[Kitkat]

Wow guys seriously stop Q.Q'ing because you didn't get your loot in one run - doesn't mean the whole system should be changed. Did you get the full Askar set the first time you climbed Nyzul? This game is a grind - always has and always will be. If you don't get your loot, warp to jeuno and pick up a few more Voidstones. If you don't like the system, don't do it like the 80% of the population on most servers. The loot system is fine. Cap lights, plant TH, if you don't get it - repeat.. Drop rates are low because they are meant to be RARE items. Not items that can be found on a lvl 95 mule account. History states that you have to grind for the best gear in the game.

Uh....have you even read what the complaints are primarily about? Isn't about getting the item, or capping lights, or just doing the fight over cause it didn't drop anyway. It is the lack of check for rare/ex that is the problem with current distribution. People only mention the crappy drop rate due to the fact this compounds the lack of a check system when any additional drops in multiple fights are hitting the ground due to the person already having the rare/ex item. It would also be nice if a player could add an item to ally pool if they already had it or didn't want it cause it would never be used by them.

[Insaniac]

"Cap lights, plant TH" made me not care enough to respond to that guys post.

[Insaniac]

There would be no drama with a point system but instead we get collective suffering where everyone gets Elm Logs together.

The only complication with a point system would be creating a reason for people to do different NMs. An assault style separation of points is the only thing I can think of but that could get wonky cause you would need a separate point pool for every single NM. I don't think there's any chance of them switching to a point system for VW anyway but maybe if we scream loud enough they will use one for the other new "content".

[Xellith]

SE seems to have their heart set on dragging out voidwatch as long as possible in order to avoid adding even more interesting content maybe? Either way you slice it the loot system IS the crux of the problem and it needs to be addressed.

[Kristal]

Last night we finally got our first good T4 drops as a LS. Anhur Robe went to someone who didn't want it. Fazheluo Radiant Mail went to someone who didn't need it. Langeleik went to somebody who will never use it.

An item dropping to a person not using/wanting/lotting it is no different then the item not dropping at all. Which is the defacto standard for any good loot from NMs, particularly the ones requiring a LS.

You want a real solution? Here's one.
Prior to spawning the mob, give people the choice of loot distribution:
* Community Pool (loot falls in the normal treasure pool, but only those that chose Community Pool can see it)
* Private Pool (default, current system, each player gets his own list of loot, cannot lot Community Pool)

This choice is for each individual player. Player 1 and 2 choose private, players 3-18 choose community, result is 3 different sets of loot. Droprates are not affected. (1% drop rate remains 1% in the community pool)

[Runespider]

They make content you need almost a full alliance for then make the drops so bad that people just give up wanting to do it, people have to see some chance of reward for these things. Give it another 12 months and it will be almost impossible to build alliances to do this stuff...and people still won't have the gear they want by then.

[Mahoro]

An item dropping to a person not using/wanting/lotting it is no different then the item not dropping at all. Which is the defacto standard for any good loot from NMs, particularly the ones requiring a LS.

You want a real solution? Here's one.
Prior to spawning the mob, give people the choice of loot distribution:
* Community Pool (loot falls in the normal treasure pool, but only those that chose Community Pool can see it)
* Private Pool (default, current system, each player gets his own list of loot, cannot lot Community Pool)

This choice is for each individual player. Player 1 and 2 choose private, players 3-18 choose community, result is 3 different sets of loot. Droprates are not affected. (1% drop rate remains 1% in the community pool)

I think part of the logistical problem with setting stuff to community pool or adding drops en masse to pool is the fact that sometimes 5 items appear in someone's personal chest. If more than 2 people add all of their drops to pool for freelot, the community pool would automatically fill up and stuff would auto-sort. If 18 people in an alliance add drops to their pool, that is 90 drops to sort in the pool.

I agree VW loot needs fixing, but the solution isn't to add an "Add ALL drops to pool" option. It should be "Add THIS drop to pool" option, and people will have to coordinate and be careful in those five minutes not to add so many drops to the pool that they stack up and start auto-sorting.