Thoughts on the FFXI Job Adjustment Manifesto

[Smokenttp]

i belive 2hrs are optimizing de damage of the helix some how, i downgraded my sch to lvl 20 and went to quifim for some testing, i was having a hard time hitting good helix on worms (min 3 max 32 damage altou rare ones , usually stayed arounnd 14 dmg) but when i throwed tabula rasa i sundelly started hitting a whomping 58-59 helix (2 casts both with close numbers and all of those casts including the non 2hrds was on thunder weather), and while i was not sure i think my regen got abit more of power too, im going to reset my 2hrs and retry regen, yes confirmed that right now 2hrs infact affects regen, gone from a punny 8 regen to a huge 41.

[Zhronne]

Yes, it was said in the previous test server patch. Tabula Rasa furtherly increases the bonus Light Arts gives to Regen and Dark Arts gives to Helix.

[Sotek]

So at low levels Helices will do ~3 tics and ~32 damage? Well that is impressive SE, Thunder nearly has the same base damage as Helices will do overall, truly a worthwhile addition.

I'm amazed that they're going through with this when it has been meet with absolute rejection. Leave Helices as they were and just scale them up from there, though I guess that's meaningless now since they've already wasted the development time with this idiocy, maybe they should detail what they want to do first so we can tell them it's stupid before they waste time implementing it.

I must say I got a giggle out of their plans for merits, "Two hour merits?" I thought, "Why didn't they give us something useful last update and save Embrava/Kaustra for merits?". Then again Embrava pretty much defines Scholar at this point, but that's a whole other problem.

[Smokenttp]

from a bit more testings looks like they nerfed the helixes like hell (even tough the duration is higer) de damage is alot lower, my usual 200 dmg helix turned into jokinglys 80 dmg wich sucks alot, helixes nerf asside the buff on regen while outside 2hrs needs to be revamped as well i belive , altough it ups regen potency in about 60% i have a felling it needs to be bigger to help keeping someone alive maybe at around x3 instead of only x0.6 (considering that the 2hrs one pretty much make regen potency x6 on top of the light arts bonus) i think it wouldnt hurt to power they up a bit, and would turn regen into the main healing force of a sch leting cure being an emergency. back to helix tough i think they really need to give us an helix II now or just makes int even more powerfull for helixes( maybe a more straight int bonus)

[OuShiroHeart]

Now we have
Regen: HP(tick) 21(+16)⇒29(+24) Duration(ticks) 57(+32)⇒41(+16) Total cured 1197⇒1189
Regen II: HP(tick) 28(+16)⇒36(+24) Duration(ticks) 52(+32)⇒36(+16) Total cured 1456⇒1296
Regen III: HP(tick) 36(+16)⇒44(+24)　Duration(ticks) 52(+32)⇒36(+16) Total cured 1872⇒1584
Regen IV: HP(tick) 46(+16)⇒54(+24)　Duration(ticks) 52(+32)⇒36(+16) Total cured 2392⇒1944
Tabula Rasa makes
※White Grimoire has no effect on these values
Regen: HP(tick) 41(+36) Duration(ticks) 49(+24) Total cured 2009
Regen II: HP(tick) 48(+36) Duration(ticks) 44(+24) Total cured 2112
Regen III: HP(tick) 56(+36)　Duration(ticks) 44(+24) Total cured 2464
Regen IV: HP(tick) 66(+36)　Duration(ticks) 44(+24) Total cured 2904
※All these without empyrean hat, amounts checked by making HP1 and checking HP after regen wears off to avoid error

As for the helix change, they were already in place. This update only made it so that they always have the mentioned durations, instead of a possibly resisted duration. i.e Now, a Lv95 Sch can have a 45sec duration helix, if it is resisted. This change will remove that possiblity.

[Merton9999]

OK I must have missed this. Now helix spell potency has been divided in half, even for level 95 SCH, with the duration increased and stabilized?

I can't stop laughing. The whole problem with these spells has ALWAYS been that mobs die too fast to make their DoT worthwhile, or that the damage calculation made them useless on tough NMs. They are making both of these problems worse by requiring a longer duration to do the damage and by making the base damage lower?

How did I know that when the devs said they would be giving SCH main more attention that it would end up to be a very bad thing. Honestly, please just leave the job alone and stop making it worse.

[Zhronne]

But hey! We got Embrava and Kaustra! SCH is totally fixed now!

[Raksha]

OK I must have missed this. Now helix spell potency has been divided in half, even for level 95 SCH, with the duration increased and stabilized?

I can't stop laughing. The whole problem with these spells has ALWAYS been that mobs die too fast to make their DoT worthwhile, or that the damage calculation made them useless on tough NMs. They are making both of these problems worse by requiring a longer duration to do the damage and by making the base damage lower?

How did I know that when the devs said they would be giving SCH main more attention that it would end up to be a very bad thing. Honestly, please just leave the job alone and stop making it worse.

Do we have independent confirmation on the helix nerf? That one guy could've just gotten a few resists.

[Merton9999]

Do we have independent confirmation on the helix nerf? That one guy could've just gotten a few resists.

I thought OuShiroHeart was confirming it by saying the helix changes were already in place. I'd love it if it weren't true. I need some reason not to dread seeing another SCH adjustment announcement.

[Raksha]

I thought OuShiroHeart was confirming it by saying the helix changes were already in place. I'd love it if it weren't true. I need some reason not to dread seeing another SCH adjustment announcement.

I thought all that was about Tabula Rasa affecting helix spells. /shrug