Why Cant Final fantasy 11 get the same treatment?

[Zagen]

Except in today's FFXI it's not 8 years of content, because of many of the new changes a new player can now come in and get through, and "beat" the game in about a year. The point of a MMO is to have so much content that it takes the player 5 or more years to accomplish their goals. The more time it takes the customer the more money the company makes. If it's rewarding and fun both sides get a positive out of it.

I hate to bring up WoW again, but since it is the leader in the MMO market; "Blizzard Entertainment announced World of Warcraft on September 2, 2001.[7] The game was released on November 23, 2004, on the 10th anniversary of the Warcraft franchise." WoW is now a 7 year old game, and there are still plenty of 13 year-olds signing up to play it today. I really beg to differ that "too much content" is a bad thing or a set back for a MMO if the company makes intelligent marketing, gaming, and business decisions in favor of its customer.

A potential player who's never played FFXI sees it as 8 years of content not as something a player could get through in a couple of months to a few years depending on play time, style, and learning ability.

Wow is in a completely different ball game than FFXI which is why I haven't mentioned it until now.

WoW is computer only. This is a huge factor when considering update/upgrade potentials over the years.
WoW locks jobs meaning people will be making new characters to play different jobs (new and old players).
WoW allows you to make multiple characters/jobs.
WoW also has always been get up and go friendly, the storyline until later in the game is extremely shallow even if you do all the missions, this isn't the same in FFXI (reason i came back from WoW)

There are many more reasons why WoW is the MMO king that it is and why its a horrible comparison for FFXI or FFXIV (even if the revamp was successful I can't see it going up against WoW).

[FrankReynolds]

A potential player who's never played FFXI sees it as 8 years of content not as something a player could get through in a couple of months to a few years depending on play time, style, and learning ability.

Wow is in a completely different ball game than FFXI which is why I haven't mentioned it until now.

WoW is computer only. This is a huge factor when considering update/upgrade potentials over the years.
WoW locks jobs meaning people will be making new characters to play different jobs (new and old players).
WoW allows you to make multiple characters/jobs.
WoW also has always been get up and go friendly, the storyline until later in the game is extremely shallow even if you do all the missions, this isn't the same in FFXI (reason i came back from WoW)

There are many more reasons why WoW is the MMO king that it is and why its a horrible comparison for FFXI or FFXIV (even if the revamp was successful I can't see it going up against WoW).

Your just making stuff up now. No one thinks it will take them 8 years to catch up in FFXI.

If potential new players read any reviews / forums (they would have to since there are no advertisements anymore), they would see a slew of people talking about how old content is Irrelevant (hence they can choose not to complete it) and new content is easy.


If they read reviews / forums about FFXIV..... well the fact that they are rebuilding it from the ground up should tell you what you will find.

EDIT: and to be clear, I would honestly like to get into FFXIV, but it just has way too much going against it. New / potential players don't really care what roman numeral is attached to the end of the title. Only players who have invested time in one of them care. If they are going to drop a shit load of money on rebuilding a game, it makes sense to put it into the profitable one with a stable player base. Some stupid gangster rapper once said "Don't fuck up fa sho dough tryin' ta get mo dough.". Maybe SE needs to hire him.

[Zagen]

Your just making stuff up now. No one thinks it will take them 8 years to catch up in FFXI.

I never said it would take 8 years to catch up or that a new player would perceive it to take them 8 years, I said there is 8 years of content in the game. As in Expansions, storylines, zones, cut scenes, updates, tweaks, etc. When you tell a person there's all this great stuff for you to do but almost all of the players will already be past all that and not doing it anymore you don't give them much hope.

The younger an MMO is the less likely it is that the majority of the player base will be top heavy meaning higher chances of existing players mixing in with the new players on the beginning/older content.

[FrankReynolds]

I never said it would take 8 years to catch up or that a new player would perceive it to take them 8 years, I said there is 8 years of content in the game. As in Expansions, storylines, zones, cut scenes, updates, tweaks, etc. When you tell a person there's all this great stuff for you to do but almost all of the players will already be past all that and not doing it anymore you don't give them much hope.

The younger an MMO is the less likely it is that the majority of the player base will be top heavy meaning higher chances of existing players mixing in with the new players on the beginning/older content.

When this game came out in NA, the JP players had already beat all the missions etc. and NA players cried a little. Life went on. When the game came out on 360, CPU / PS2 players had already beat everything. 360 players cried and life went on. Now that FFXIV is out, this is somehow supposed to change? get real guy. Even if FFXIV becomes a super hit 18 months from now, FFXI is and will be (there was no mass exodus when FFXIV launched the first time, there won't be next time either) still an extremely profitable game. Even if rebuilding just allowed them to keep the customer base at what it is now without adding any new customers, it would be a worthwhile investment.

You keep saying 8 years of content, but your not trying to insinuate that people perceive it as taking 8 years? Exactly how long do you think people think it will take? You went to WOW and came back, why? Didn't you know that the population was "Top Heavy", and that no one would do content with you? All I'm hearing is that you want to play FFXIV so that you can be a big fissh in a small pond. That will come to an end in any MMORPG eventually. sorry.

[Zagen]

When this game came out in NA, the JP players had already beat all the missions etc. and NA players cried a little. Life went on. When the game came out on 360, CPU / PS2 players had already beat everything. 360 players cried and life went on. Now that FFXIV is out, this is somehow supposed to change? get real guy. Even if FFXIV becomes a super hit 18 months from now, FFXI is and will be (there was no mass exodus when FFXIV launched the first time, there won't be next time either) still an extremely profitable game. Even if rebuilding just allowed them to keep the customer base at what it is now without adding any new customers, it would be a worthwhile investment.

NA launch also had a ton of buzz around the game finally coming over meaning a huge influx of new players. When I started playing (NA PC release) there were very few level capped players running around nor a majority of JP players complete with all missions (got most of my missions done with JP players because they liked the fact I attempted to talk to them with translation lists, or brought me around to laugh at me because of that either way I got missions done with JP players) and at that time I was playing during late PST/Prime JP time so not sure what you're talking about. Also saw very few players JP or NA being at 75, then again considering the EXP required to get 75 back then was closer to going from 1-95 now and no Colibri speed exp let alone Abyssea speed.

I haven't met a single 360 player in the 5 years it has been around who wasn't a PS2 or PC player first. Not to mention back then I knew quite a few people who hadn't even finished getting 1 job to level 75 so everyone having beaten everything is BS, back then the ratio was probably at best a 40/60 ratio favoring people who hadn't beaten everything yet.

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You keep saying 8 years of content, but your not trying to insinuate that people perceive it as taking 8 years? Exactly how long do you think people think it will take? You went to WOW and came back, why? Didn't you know that the population was "Top Heavy", and that no one would do content with you? All I'm hearing is that you want to play FFXIV so that you can be a big fissh in a small pond. That will come to an end in any MMORPG eventually. sorry.

When I explained the game was around for several years, it was a selling point to my friends and co-workers I talked into trying the game out, most left after a few months because if I wasn't around to help them most of the time they couldn't get things done because no one was doing older content.

I left WoW because it had no deep story line to suck me in at the time, I hear its gotten better with the newer expansions but I haven't played to know for sure. Sure it was top heavy when I played yet some how I had no problem teaming up with other new or experienced players the whole way from level 1 to 40 something before I quit.

You think I want to play FFXIV to be a big fish? I'm one of the player's who refused to make the jump because the closed beta once I got it running (yay horrible driver comparability) felt like an alpha game at best. When FFXIV 2.0 comes out I'll reevaluate my decision but until then I don't care for the game. That however doesn't detract from being able to see it has a higher potential financial gain in the long run than FFXI does from a revamp.

[FrankReynolds]

NA launch also had a ton of buzz around the game finally coming over meaning a huge influx of new players. When I started playing (NA PC release) there were very few level capped players running around nor a majority of JP players complete with all missions (got most of my missions done with JP players because they liked the fact I attempted to talk to them with translation lists, or brought me around to laugh at me because of that either way I got missions done with JP players) and at that time I was playing during late PST/Prime JP time so not sure what you're talking about. Also saw very few players JP or NA being at 75, then again considering the EXP required to get 75 back then was closer to going from 1-95 now and no Colibri speed exp let alone Abyssea speed.

I haven't met a single 360 player in the 5 years it has been around who wasn't a PS2 or PC player first. Not to mention back then I knew quite a few people who hadn't even finished getting 1 job to level 75 so everyone having beaten everything is BS, back then the ratio was probably at best a 40/60 ratio favoring people who hadn't beaten everything yet.

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When I explained the game was around for several years, it was a selling point to my friends and co-workers I talked into trying the game out, most left after a few months because if I wasn't around to help them most of the time they couldn't get things done because no one was doing older content.

I left WoW because it had no deep story line to suck me in at the time, I hear its gotten better with the newer expansions but I haven't played to know for sure. Sure it was top heavy when I played yet some how I had no problem teaming up with other new or experienced players the whole way from level 1 to 40 something before I quit.

You think I want to play FFXIV to be a big fish? I'm one of the player's who refused to make the jump because the closed beta once I got it running (yay horrible driver comparability) felt like an alpha game at best. When FFXIV 2.0 comes out I'll reevaluate my decision but until then I don't care for the game. That however doesn't detract from being able to see it has a higher potential financial gain in the long run than FFXI does from a revamp.

I see nothing here explaining why giving FFXI some love and new life is a bad idea. Be honest, your friends quit because the leveling grind was awful and getting a group for missions sucked. XP is super easy to get now, and you don't need a specific group to do most of the missions anymore. There are people all over these forums complaining that they spent years getting sea/limbus/sky/relics/salvage gear, that is now outclassed by stuff that people who just started playing this year already have. The amount of time the game has been out is only seen as negative because they haven't done any major modernization on it.

You know damn well that if they came out with FFXI V.2, you would buy it, and if it was good, you would tell all those same people you told before to buy it again. People who follow this stuff know that FFXIV has been panned by the critics / players. The 6.9 billion other people on this planet are just as likely to buy FFXI V.2 as they are FFXIV V.2, becasue they don't know the friggin difference. FFXI however has 10 times the player base, and is thus already a guaranteed return on investment.