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    Player Reiterpallasch's Avatar
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    They could give RDM the highest tier of DW in the game, and they'd still be the lowest tier melee.

    Quote Originally Posted by Economizer View Post
    Furthermore, for White Mage currently, the best cure set for maximum MP cured per cure currently uses a Tefnut Wand a shield. Getting Dual Wield would benefit this.
    No it wouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch View Post
    No it wouldn't.
    The best cure potency shield is still worse than the second-best cure potency club (Templar Mace - +10%), so yes, it would, in that it means that the WHM can still come /SCH rather than having to show up /NIN or /DNC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch View Post
    They could give RDM the highest tier of DW in the game, and they'd still be the lowest tier melee.
    Hardly...


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    Quote Originally Posted by MDenham View Post
    The best cure potency shield is still worse than the second-best cure potency club (Templar Mace - +10%), so yes, it would, in that it means that the WHM can still come /SCH rather than having to show up /NIN or /DNC.
    Yet it's already quite possible to cap healing magic easily through various equipment set ups and use of abilities. There's no reason to duel wield two clubs just just to go around to say "Oh look at how much cure potency I have. You ignore the one shield that matters though, aside from the cure potency augment. Genbu's shield can also have additional - curing cast time as well as -10% physical damage reduction.

    Cure potency isn't the only thing that matters for a WHM. Speed and survivability should be equally important. But regardless, your argument is pretty flawed cause the only real purpose you have for duel wielding is stat boosting when it's a combat related trait and should honestly stay that way.
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    If waiting 15 minutes is such an issue to you, I hope you never get stuck in public transport or in an elevator. You probably will go insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soranika View Post
    Yet it's already quite possible to cap healing magic easily through various equipment set ups and use of abilities. There's no reason to duel wield two clubs just just to go around to say "Oh look at how much cure potency I have. You ignore the one shield that matters though, aside from the cure potency augment. Genbu's shield can also have additional - curing cast time as well as -10% physical damage reduction.

    Cure potency isn't the only thing that matters for a WHM. Speed and survivability should be equally important. But regardless, your argument is pretty flawed cause the only real purpose you have for duel wielding is stat boosting when it's a combat related trait and should honestly stay that way.
    Macro's help with that. The quicker you cap Cure potency means more spaces open for MND, VIT and such.
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    Macro's can be pretty unreliable of your multitasking and limited in lines per macro command. I have to deal with that a lot on DNC. It's painful without using a spellcast and/or playing on consoles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimikryo View Post
    If waiting 15 minutes is such an issue to you, I hope you never get stuck in public transport or in an elevator. You probably will go insane.

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    As stated, if you're going to be using 1 handed weapons you're better off just going /NIN. WAR would get no benefit from having native DW as what sub would you recommend using from a DD standpoint? Yup NIN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Economizer View Post
    Clubs and Swords inherently have better stats then shields. Tefnut Wand and a Templar Mace, or a Galenus for more cure potency then a Staff currently can give. Enfeebles have potency based on stats, so in certain cases having +10 MND will win out over more magic accuracy. Furthermore, for White Mage currently, the best cure set for maximum MP cured per cure currently uses a Tefnut Wand a shield. Getting Dual Wield would benefit this.
    Surya's staff +3: Cure potency +23%
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    Last edited by Atomic_Skull; 10-24-2011 at 07:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch View Post
    They could give RDM the highest tier of DW in the game, and they'd still be the lowest tier melee.
    I see you have never encountered a melee rdm that knows how to successfully melee with rdm. The best, No. But hardly the worst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elphy View Post
    I see you have never encountered a melee rdm that knows how to successfully melee with rdm. The best, No. But hardly the worst.
    And assuming player skill is equal exactly what jobs is a melee RDM better than?

    Just being better than a garage sale THF wearing whatever he found in the laundry basket and dual wielding a thief's knife and heartsnatcher because he leveled it for TH and doesn't care does not mean that your damage doesn't suck.
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    Last edited by Atomic_Skull; 10-24-2011 at 07:11 AM.

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