Level 99 - Trial of the Citadel

[FrankReynolds]

You're right, this would certainly separate the n00bs from the better players. The n00bs will make statements like you posted above; then ask me to come BLM, RDM, WHM, THF, BRD or SMN anyway!
The better players will realise that an alliance of 18 WAR perhaps isn't going to be the best plan.

Which is why your idea is lame. People will always need show up at events on the appropriate job. Being unable to merit one useful job because the merits did more for another slightly more useful job is lame. When I need a Red Mage for an event, I don't want him to be gimp because he also has monk, and thus had to spend all his merits on that. I want him to be fully merited on both.

[Sephoroth]

Maybe they should allow one job to 100, and make it if you change your mind on that job, and switch to a different job to 100 then it will make the last one go back to Lv1 which would seem like a fair price to pay for those leeches who abyssea burn everything anyways... And could be a good way to keep the gil flowing for those who do the AoEing :P

[Puck]

It's funny how a rep came in and COMPLETELY derailed this guy's thread. The original post had nothing to do with 99 vs. 100, it was about adding a new quest to "promote" a 99 job to a "better" version of the job at 99, kinda like how it worked in the original FF (you had to go through a dungeon to fetch a Rat Tail). Or for those of you that played the original Shining Force games, what happens to almost all of your characters in those games (Knight to Paladin, Warrior to Gladiator, Magician to Wizard, etc.). The idea is definitely asking too much though, if just for the fact that these upgraded jobs would need to be added in the requirements for old gear and all kinds of balancing acts that would go along with essentially 20 newish jobs. Like the first reply said (pretty much the only one on-topic), it's like asking for a new game.
Camate, what you posted wasn't "slightly different" than the OP's suggestion, it didn't have anything to do with his post except the number 99! The least you can do for the guy is relay his actual suggestion to the devs (so they can shoot it down with their excuse cannon).

That said, most FF games had a cap of 99 simply because the game wasn't programmed to allow any higher levels. 2 digits only. That's how you knew there was nowhere left to go. 100 doesn't "feel" capped, it doesn't imply that it's the end of the line. 99 does. So yeah, 99's better.

[Arcon]

Maybe they should allow one job to 100, and make it if you change your mind on that job, and switch to a different job to 100 then it will make the last one go back to Lv1 which would seem like a fair price to pay for those leeches who abyssea burn everything anyways

Um... how do you figure? It would be completely the opposite. The Abyssea leeches would only take another day to get the job back up to 99. The people who play normally would take months again. This promotes leeching EXP and punishes people leveling traditionally.

[Kristal]

Well, now that I read this, I'd prefer lvl 99. The reason for this is cos its the Final Fantasy "tradition" to have lvl 99.

It's already been mentioned several times, but there is no such tradition.There have been numerical limits in older FF's due to design and interface choices, but it's not a written-in-stone FF tradition and it has been ignored in more recent FF's.
In fact, it would be a particularly odd thing in FFXI. Our skills and stats cap at 999, not 255. And damage display caps at 65535 (and it still goes beyond, as could be seen by the broken brewed Wildfire numbers.)
Even crafting caps at 100, but gear and buffs can take it beyond that; it's an artificial barrier due to lack of recipes.

The only valid reason I've seen to date is RDM's Composure, but that same reason applied to WHM's Afflatus Solace/Misery and RDM's Convert, and SE dealt with that by making WHM abilities main-only and RDM free for the taking (because RDM wouldn't be RDM if it had anything it could do better then another job.) So it's obvious SE can deal with whatever balancing challenge lvl 50 subjobs offer.

[Economizer]

The only valid reason I've seen to date is RDM's Composure

Once again I have to ask myself, why would Composure be significant for other jobs, let alone significant enough to merit blocking a level cap increase of one level, even if it wasn't blocked? I can't see a single good reason.

Most of the benefits are outpaced by other sub job choices and for Red Mage main, you get better bonuses from Composure then other jobs get, such as decreased recast penalty from better Fast Cast, increased duration from gear, and the ability to make the duration bonus apply to others.

Is it self Refresh duration? Because that's the only possible logic based argument I can think of at this point, and that's a pretty big joke compared to Convert, and an even bigger joke compared to subbing Scholar.

[Amador]

Is it self Refresh duration? Because that's the only possible logic based argument I can think of at this point, and that's a pretty big joke compared to Convert, and an even bigger joke compared to subbing Scholar.

Easy, next the people stating Composure is relevant as a role defining job ability will start to cry about why subbing RDM gives Convert.

The thing is, it isn't a valid reason. Never will be.

Oh my, the mages used Composure to cast buffs. :| wow. Oh wait, the PLD/RDM soloing would be completely broken right?

There's no justifiable reason, or rhyme as to why Composure can even be categorized as a Role Defining Job Ability. It's just a mindless excuse. I wouldn't be surprised if questions regarding features like 99 vs 100 or otherwise of the same type of nature will be solely directed at JP Forums.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Give Yonin/Innin/Afflatus while subbed. They're not role defining abilities.

Even stating this, I still voted for 100 regardless of whether others get Composure or not. Level 5 petrify/Composure/some abstract sense of tradition isn't a reason to not have level 100.

[FrankReynolds]

As Camate already pointed out ( as well as several other people ), the abilities from sub-jobs are irrelevant to the discussion because they will just block them as they see fit. I like 100 better. Nobody cares, especially the Developers.

P.S. WTF is this thread still doing here?

[CrystalWeapon]

As Camate already pointed out ( as well as several other people ), the abilities from sub-jobs are irrelevant to the discussion because they will just block them as they see fit. I like 100 better. Nobody cares, especially the Developers.

P.S. WTF is this thread still doing here?

Because for whatever reason the devs have been really slow about giving camate anything to post about. I kinda miss the daily 4~5 dev posts, but what are you gonna do? :P