Walk of the no Coin drops??? formerly Walk of echoes

[svengalis]

Yes, because shouting for a random (who may or may not be a complete idiot) is a lot easier than just showing up to WoE on BST and joining the other people who are kicking butt.

That's why I don't want to farm anymore Empyreans. I get so pissed off with the scrubs from pugs LOL.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Re: Septimus

I still consider non Tahrongi empyreans less effort than those 8 staves you did.

[Olor]

Uh

Though i firmly believe Walk of Echoes sucks, when it comes to "Coins". Especially if you're trying to do just 1 Weapon. You have a 1 in 5 chance of getting the coin you want, If you even get a coin. Where as with Empyreans, You kill NM, You get at least 1 of the item you want.

Walk of Echoes is more of a dumb luck system, Empyrean farming is a tangible goal, where you can actually make a Min/Max Timeline of how long/how many kills it should take. You cannot do this with WoE as you have no guaranteed drop.

I guess since I really don't give a damn about making the weapon but I am making progress anyway, it seems better.

My shell has like 6-9 people on at a time, 3 of those not even at level cap at any given time. And then half of the rest who are at cap are too busy helping themselves to work on other people's crap. And despite what people say about these weapons being soloable, I just don't see myself taking down a lot of them given I don't already have the best gear etc. I mean maybe when you're a nin with Kannagi working on another weapon they are "soloable" with a D-boxed whm... but yeah, doesn't seem realistic for an average, casual player.

It's actually kind of frustrating to see people who have a lot of resources talk about how easy it is to get an empyrean. It isn't that easy for an average player in a small shell with other casual players.

[Zagen]

I guess since I really don't give a damn about making the weapon but I am making progress anyway, it seems better.

My shell has like 6-9 people on at a time, 3 of those not even at level cap at any given time. And then half of the rest who are at cap are too busy helping themselves to work on other people's crap. And despite what people say about these weapons being soloable, I just don't see myself taking down a lot of them given I don't already have the best gear etc. I mean maybe when you're a nin with Kannagi working on another weapon they are "soloable" with a D-boxed whm... but yeah, doesn't seem realistic for an average, casual player.

It's actually kind of frustrating to see people who have a lot of resources talk about how easy it is to get an empyrean. It isn't that easy for an average player in a small shell with other casual players.

Why would you stay in a LS like that?

You're BST... You have a pet that can attain I believe its -87.5% PDT(I think you can get more but that's the new cap) and at least -60%MDT... If you can't see how Emp NMs are soloable by your job then I don't know.

Edit: The only NM while going for level 85 Emps I can think of that BST could have issues with is Bukhis if it spams Apocalyptic Ray

[Olor]

Get the part where I said I don't have the best gear yet?

Also I stay in the shell because they are my friends, and to me, friends are more important than digital gear. They have helped me tons in the past (and have gotten me a lot of nice stuff, atheling mantle, pony ring) but I am not about to ask them to dedicate their limited playtime to getting ME a weapon. Besides, if I ever do try to convince them to help me with anything it will definitely be the empy harp.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Ever tried talking it out? No less than 2 of my friends have NP with it since we reached an agreement about working on improving our chars as a group, the rest have other commitments and I respect that. If they also have the desire to attain an Emp or other weapons/armor there is no reason you can't help each other and come to an agreement about it.

[Zagen]

Get the part where I said I don't have the best gear yet?

Also I stay in the shell because they are my friends, and to me, friends are more important than digital gear. They have helped me tons in the past (and have gotten me a lot of nice stuff, atheling mantle, pony ring) but I am not about to ask them to dedicate their limited playtime to getting ME a weapon. Besides, if I ever do try to convince them to help me with anything it will definitely be the empy harp.

You can solo -PDT Axes. You can solo the quests for Ducal Guard Atma. You can solo Sirrush for leg seals, also you can just ask groups farming it for the KI for the seals.

The only thing you need a group for is some of the fights to get Anwig Salade.

Sounds to me like you prefer to make excuses.

I don't buy them being "friends", my LS works in smaller groups within the LS (keep in mind we're like 10-15 total), Rorien and I do 90% of the stuff we want as a duo with mules available as needed, the rest of the group does what they want. The moment either group needs/wants help or has something the other group benefits from we join up and do it together. To me that's what friends are, to me that's what a good LS should be. But to each their own I guess if you see them as friends sucks you don't have better friends.

Edit: To clarify you can do the solos I mentioned with AH gear.

[Septimus]

Re: Septimus

I still consider non Tahrongi empyreans less effort than those 8 staves you did.

If it weren't for the fact that I soloed a good 75% of the summoning staves I would agree. (I am 4 of 8 on damage staves for BLM now and working on the rest. I really hate myself...) When you have to get other people involved with farming, I consider that a huge increase in effort. With the elemental staves, it is something that you can do by yourself; you don't need to waste other people's time to help you hold KIs or proc for something that doesn't benefit them.

But the problem is that the only good weapon for my jobs (Ukonvasara) is a Tahrongi weapon. (And I doubt that Square wants to be blamed for any puppy punching incidents.) The only weapon that I would really want (Farsha) is terrible, the single worst Empyrean Weapon, and one of the hardest to get because of the constant competition for Fistule. So yeah, this is why I will make do with out an Empyrean.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Agreed, my job list is pretty terrible myself, my best emp is Ukon and we eventually decided we weren't going to grind through it (plus I had rl commitment to military) so it took much longer including time I was away from game. Whm emp is a joke to me and the only other one I need is sword which is on the back burner due to staves. I really do think I could have finished sword if i spent the time on it over staves.

[Olor]

I have the legs, have -8% pet pdt axes, have done part of ducal guard stuff etc... but don't find soloing multiple nms down for a couple items (out of a metric ton needed) using up all of my playtime to be fun. Not saying it can't be done, but would rather not spend months of playtime for a weapon I don't need to enjoy myself in the game.

Nevermind that it costs a lot to solo effectively on bst which means I would still have to be farming my arse off in between. No thanks. Oh and almost no procs... yeah great so not only would soloing down the empy nms cost a fortune, it would also drop next to nothing...

I'm glad that you find getting an empy to be easy. But I find spending all my limited playtime farming NMs to be boring. So, whatever. /shrugs. Also have you soloed these things on bst? Cause if you haven't, please do before you tell me it is easy. Sounds like you're duoing and Dboxing (so 4 manning). Nevermind that when I have to pet swap stuff would be going yellow and some arse like you would be likely to snag it.