Walk of the no Coin drops??? formerly Walk of echoes

[Olor]

For an inferior weapon option don't you feel its poor design that it requires more effort than the superior weapon?

How is it more effort to simply show up than it is to shout for people on specific jobs, and compete with other groups for NMs?

Yes, we all agree SE will need to work to ensure there are enough rewards in WoE for people to want to continue doing it, but saying it is more effort to complete one is a lie.

If you truly cared about the poor poor casuals who should be making an empy instead of a WoE weapon you would support my suggestion thread. Retuning some of the fluxes for fewer people should ensure that even when some of the hype dies down people can farm their coins.

[Zagen]

How is it more effort to simply show up than it is to shout for people on specific jobs, and compete with other groups for NMs?

Yes, we all agree SE will need to work to ensure there are enough rewards in WoE for people to want to continue doing it, but saying it is more effort to complete one is a lie..

How many people do you need minimum to clear #7? 2 SMNs.

How many people do you need minimum to farm Emps? 1 player, job varies depending on path.

See how its harder?

You can simply show up because people are doing it, what happens when they stop?

If you truly cared about the poor poor casuals who should be making an empy instead of a WoE weapon you would support my suggestion thread. Retuning some of the fluxes for fewer people should ensure that even when some of the hype dies down people can farm their coins.

I do care. Well I should say I care about the ones who aren't lazy.

I support random players pursuing an Emp by going on a job they need in exchange for a chance at a +2 item I want.

In the past I even occasionally supported random players pursuing WoE weapons by joining them because WoE is fun at times.

I support the players in my LS by giving them full pop sets for the Emp item they want in exchange for +2 items I want. In cases where nothing I want drops I give them all the drops or open them up to others helping.

Reducing the amount required to clear certain zones also means reducing the rewards given, because that's how SE does it so why would I suggest that? After all my stance is WoE weapons should be easier which means increased drop rate, a universal coin, or a 3:1 conversion option. Because all of those options actually make the event easier without gimping anything.

[Montsegur]

The thing is it requires more resources to complete a WoE weapon. Emps can be soloed WoE weapons can't. When WoE dies down again (already started on some servers) there will be no point in going for a WoE weapon because it takes more effort than an Emp.

For an inferior weapon option don't you feel its poor design that it requires more effort than the superior weapon?

A lot of the people on here think WoE is easier because people are spamming the event, and that is true it is easier because when people spam the event you don't have worry about leading a group, you don't have to worry about being good at whatever job you break as long as you do enough to rank.

People are arguing that WoE is casual friendly when in reality it is only casual friendly when people are spamming it. When people stop randomly spamming WoE it is no longer casual friendly.

What happens when the new factor wears off? What happens when a truly casual gamer who's playing 10 hours a week happens to get screwed because WoE is dead during the time they can get on? Where is their easy, casual friendly alternative to an Emp?

I get where you're coming from, but WoE has always been popular on JP prime time, I got my Fudo done way back before all this started, it wasn't that bad. The jp's would get on around 8pm EST and usually go until 5-6am, especially during weekends. So that's what, 5pm to 2am PST? I know Euro's get the shaft, but I get the feeling they often get it, so I kind of ignore them (though I shouldn't). For flux 7, you really only need 5-6 people tops to finish it and I'm almost positive a well geared melee + whm could duo it. This is really the only flux of concern as it's the one that drops the most coins if we're talking about weapons.

If the JP have been at this for over a year, I can't see them just stopping all of a sudden, I think they'll always be enough people around during peak times to get things done. Also, if SE is smart (HUGE if), they'll keep adding scrolls all the way through 99 here that drop in WoE and nowhere else but WoE. Then, there's 99, flux 7, it'll be a joke. What's dying to some people too? Yes, there's not 150 people like the first few nights, but I'm usually competing to get into flux 7 and sometimes don't even get in. My suggestion if you feel it's slowing down, come out on weekends, they'll be plenty of people 24/7 from Friday-Sunday.

If people were spamming this shit before, they'll keep spamming it. Now that it's known that 7 is the coin giver, and that's a joke to win, I think it'll keep up. I still think for me, this is easier then an Emp weapon. I guess we'll just have to wait and see a few months down the road how dead WoE is.

[Zagen]

Montsegur that must be your server. Before the update on Bismarck during 8am-1/2am PST (during the week or weekend, though I didn't go/check everyday nonstop) there would be one party of 5 JP SMNs that would do WoE, same 5 people doing #5 or #7 if #5 was taken which neither has/had money drops so they must have been spamming for coins.

When a "leecher" entered with them they would all exit and wait until the next game day. If the leecher didn't go away they would just leave.

Other than that group and 1-2 English speaking shouters who went once in a while again as a pet group spamming #5 for 1-3 runs.

Other than those 2-3 groups all there ever was were people soloing crabs/antlions.

As to competing for 7 I never had that issue, I did with 9 and 11 though those used to fill up to cap as soon as the day changed.

[svengalis]

So next time I'm doing sobek and one of the other ninjas I know needs the +2 items from him, I'll be sure and tell him "Sorry, your my friend. I wouldn't want to use you like that.".

And I am sure it will take him 25+ kills to get those 9 ardor coins he needs.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Because he a) only needs coins or b) if he's your friend why wouldn't he help you or c) if one ninja you've shouted for gets his stuff and leaves, find another who still needs drops?

[Olor]

c) if one ninja you've shouted for gets his stuff and leaves, find another who still needs drops?

Yes, because shouting for a random (who may or may not be a complete idiot) is a lot easier than just showing up to WoE on BST and joining the other people who are kicking butt.

[Neisan_Quetz]

See Zagen's posts because you missed them. I'm sorry finding people to help you in a MMO is so hard for you. At least you leveled the right job to solo the game with though.

[Karbuncle]

Yes, because shouting for a random (who may or may not be a complete idiot) is a lot easier than just showing up to WoE on BST and joining the other people who are kicking butt.

Uh

Yah, Because going to Walk of Echoes with Random people (Who may or may not even be there, and who may or may not be complete idiots) is so much better than taking friends, or finding help to kill Idiot proof NMs

Really, It seems like (in both sides of the arguments) you guys are just wildly exaggerating the negatives and positives of each instance.

Though i firmly believe Walk of Echoes sucks, when it comes to "Coins". Especially if you're trying to do just 1 Weapon. You have a 1 in 5 chance of getting the coin you want, If you even get a coin. Where as with Empyreans, You kill NM, You get at least 1 of the item you want.

Walk of Echoes is more of a dumb luck system, Empyrean farming is a tangible goal, where you can actually make a Min/Max Timeline of how long/how many kills it should take. You cannot do this with WoE as you have no guaranteed drop.

Both sides have positives and negatives, however, Empyreans are far easier than people make them seem, if you're doing all the effort of those trials, Go big or go home, You may as well get the real weapon, even if you just take it to 85, its better than the current 95 WoE weapons, and will likely still be better than their 99 WoE versions.

[Septimus]

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Really, It seems like (in both sides of the arguments) you guys are just wildly exaggerating the negatives and positives of each instance.

Though i firmly believe Walk of Echoes sucks, when it comes to "Coins". Especially if you're trying to do just 1 Weapon. You have a 1 in 5 chance of getting the coin you want, If you even get a coin. Where as with Empyreans, You kill NM, You get at least 1 of the item you want.

Walk of Echoes is more of a dumb luck system, Empyrean farming is a tangible goal, where you can actually make a Min/Max Timeline of how long/how many kills it should take. You cannot do this with WoE as you have no guaranteed drop.

Both sides have positives and negatives, however, Empyreans are far easier than people make them seem, if you're doing all the effort of those trials, Go big or go home, You may as well get the real weapon, even if you just take it to 85, its better than the current 95 WoE weapons, and will likely still be better than their 99 WoE versions.

It depends on the weapon and your server. La Theine weapons are easy as hell, as is staff. But on Bahamut you are going to have a hell of a time trying to get Fistule or anything in Tahrongi. Fistule is constantly camped, as are the free spawn KI NMs in Tahrongi. And since Tahrongi as so many KIs, good luck getting the ones you want in a cleave. I want to punch a puppy every time I go into Tahrongi and we still have 1 and a half glavoid weapons to do.

And people ask me why I don't want an Empyrean. >_>