Walk of the no Coin drops??? formerly Walk of echoes

[Zagen]

And yeah I guess empys are faster if you play all day and have slaves that are willing to repeatedly farm bosses for you, but I work and I am in a casual shell and I don't dual box, so yeah - love making progress towards weapons without inconveniencing my friends or having to shout in PJ (and take advantage of people).

You have "slaves" of random people working to help you clear WoE zones because you aren't doing it solo... Well you have those "slaves" until WoE's popularity drops.

Seriously people need to stop kidding themselves you aren't truly soloing WoE for coins.

[Olor]

You have "slaves" of random people working to help you clear WoE zones because you aren't doing it solo... Well you have those "slaves" until WoE's popularity drops.

Seriously people need to stop kidding themselves you aren't truly soloing WoE for coins.

No, I am not soloing, but I am also not putting 5 hours into shouting for people stupid enough to do all the work for crap arse seals while I get an empy. Not only that but no one is a slave because EVERYONE in the event gets AN EQUAL CHANCE at THE BEST rewards.

Maybe if I was standing around leeching the event it would be one thing, but as a bst I'm putting gil into making runs a success.

2. How is giving people drops they want taking advantage of them...?

Just because some people are dumb enough (for example) to go on dynamis runs with coins {R} or to heal someone for 5 hours while the leader gets all empy item drops (in return for WHM feet paper or some other crap) doesn't make it less "taking advantage of them."

Seriously, getting 10% done over two evenings is not fast enough? What the heck? So you guys think it makes sense for SE to make an event that people will abandon after a week when they have all their coins? That's ridiculous.

[Zagen]

No, I am not soloing, but I am also not putting 5 hours into shouting for people stupid enough to do all the work for crap arse seals while I get an empy. Not only that but no one is a slave because EVERYONE in the event gets AN EQUAL CHANCE at THE BEST rewards.

Maybe if I was standing around leeching the event it would be one thing, but as a bst I'm putting gil into making runs a success.

I used slaves in quotes because the term isn't accurate by definition in either situation. When shouting for help with Emps those people are going for a chance at +2s thus they are getting what they want just like people helping you clear a WoE zone. When getting help from your friends either they are going for the same chance at +2s or because they are fulfilling their desire to help you. in either case no one is being enslaved now if you asked for help and kept all the drops that would be a different story.

Best rewards is also relative, for example to me helping a friend with Briareus Jewel of Voyage or Stone of Voyage are the best rewards. While my friend sees the helms as the best reward.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Just because some people are dumb enough (for example) to go on dynamis runs with coins {R} or to heal someone for 5 hours while the leader gets all empy item drops (in return for WHM feet paper or some other crap) doesn't make it less "taking advantage of them."

Seriously, getting 10% done over two evenings is not fast enough? What the heck? So you guys think it makes sense for SE to make an event that people will abandon after a week when they have all their coins? That's ridiculous.

They want these pieces and are willing to do runs/pay for them and don't want emp items, you are supplying them with these pieces and want the emp items, sounds like a fair deal if you ask me.

For an inferior weapon, yes, 10% in two evenings is slow.

[Habiki]

Making it like assult with points like that seems like a better idea. I agree



that is nice, people that know what to do can farm most real emp weapons faster though.

2 days for 10% just shows how bad it is, lol

We'll an empyrian isn't a true empyrian till 95, and most people are saying atleast 6 months to finish one of those buying everything they can at 400k+ a piece for 1500 pieces, so I'd say 10% complete on a 95 woe version in two evenings is pretty fast to be honest.

[Zagen]

We'll an empyrian isn't a true empyrian till 95, and most people are saying atleast 6 months to finish one of those buying everything they can at 400k+ a piece for 1500 pieces, so I'd say 10% complete on a 95 woe version in two evenings is pretty fast to be honest.

Flawed logic is flawed.

Assuming you have the seals that's 10% to a level 90 weapon. Still need to get 100 of X items for the 95 upgrade. And if you're doing new zones to get the 95 upgrades you're reducing your coin attainment rate as well. Meaning the level 90 version will now take you more time.

Also you are making a level 95 WoE weapon that is still inferior to a level 85 Emp.

[CrAZYVIC]

The people already completed a empyreal weapon in hardcore farm sessions, always generalice and think everyone have the same resources they haved.

They think all the people can dual box, they think everyone have a good group of friends.

Here is the example why they say 3 weeks is a lot of time.

Using Carabosse as example.

If you Duo Carabosse with Thf/Nin Whm/Sch. Assuming you can farm 4 pop sets per hour, because this Empyreal is easy.

Assuming you will get 2 Gems per Nm because your thief have TH6.

8 Gems per hour = in 6 hours you get "48" Gems.

Now the Fatty Fish NM Ciren Coin. Same this NM only need 2 key items. So we can pop 4 per hour. This NM Can be soloed of a good blm in 6 - 7 mins.

8 Cirein-croin's Lantern per hour = 6 hours "48" Latern.

In like 12 hours having a WHM for Dual box is posible get a empyreal lv 85.

This is the reason, why this guys say 1 - 2 weeks is a lot of time.

This is the perfect scenario without competition. Lets say in a real scenario with competition 12 hours farming cara and 12 hours for ciren coin. So in 24 hours is posible finish a empyreal lv 85.

The people dont have acess dual box, dont have a group of friends for farm hardcore, in 3 weeks doing WoE at least 6 runs per day. Will have enough coins for complete 4 - 5 WoE weapons. (It takeme have enough coins for complete 5 weapons)

Now for the people will work in WoE Weapon that worth 3 weeks of play WoE?. If you know how play the job, you look information and you know your shit. Yes it worth you will be parsing awesome numbers. If you are lazy player and dont look for info never parsed your events, even with a real empyreal you will still a bad player and even players without a Empyreal will beat you in parses.

If you think "How this shit is posible nuuuuuu". In crour farm parties, i was outparsing Ukkos wars, Kannagi ninjas and others, With thief just playing thief in the right way. So the empyreal not is enough, you need know how play the job, and have your tp gear and ws gear. This Uko war dont even swap gear for ws he had around of 18% haste on gear, the ninja was meleing in full evasion gear with like 8% haste gear ^^, even we say We want cap ruby kill fast -_-

In conclusion a informed and smart player with a empyreal or WoE weapon = God mode
A lazy player with empyreal = A fail "Another empyreal weapon wasted"

[Neisan_Quetz]

All I read was foreveralone.jpeg

Seriously why are you playing if you can't make friends that idk, help you get stuff and you help them get stuff?

4 pop sets per hour? on Carabosse? You're joking, right? Maybe if you're constantly afking in between fights...

You can get both of CC's KI in box, same with Carabosse, and all 3 are easy kills. Heqet isn't heavily camped on my server and that's with Midgard's population added in.

[FrankReynolds]

takes a thief and a white mage like 15 minutes just to kill carbosse some times. You are pulling numbers out of your ass.

[CrAZYVIC]

All I read was foreveralone.jpeg

Seriously why are you playing if you can't make friends that idk, help you get stuff and you help them get stuff?

4 pop sets per hour? on Carabosse? You're joking, right? Maybe if you're constantly afking in between fights...

You can get both of CC's KI in box, same with Carabosse, and all 3 are easy kills. Heqet isn't heavily camped on my server and that's with Midgard's population added in.

The example is for Everyone see how easy is make a Empyreal in 12 hours can be completed this one, with only 2 people. Not with a group. But again the people always assume, everyone can dual box and everyone will have the perfect scenario always. Not everyone will have acess this kind of luxury things, this is the reason for me and lot of people is farming the coins for get WoE.

And carabosse with a Decent thief not a full evasion thief. Can destroy Carabosse with this. Buying this items by bastion prefect

Fool's Drink
Monarch's Drink
Berserker's Tonic

Using atmas RR/SS/Apoc. With 2 trial magians evasion daggers.

Just mele it until 50% after benediction. Use stawart tonic and Monarch's Drink
Berserker's Tonic. In about 8 - 10 mins "I can kill cara on thief doing this" But sadly my friend WHM, Can only help me the weekends with this, so maybe in 12 - 18 weeks i will be finishing my Empyreal weapon. And sadly i dont have access dual box.