Beastmaster's MOST pressing matter

[scaevola]

Let's take a step back for a moment.

1) What exactly would you like Charm to do (exactly; "I want Charm to be good in endgame" isn't any more helpful than "I want a pony") that jug pets don't, and

2) How would you implement such a thing without negatively impacting literally everyone in the game not currently on BST by putting more mobs that could kill them into areas where they'll be fighting stuff that could kill them without the help of said mobs?

Charm is a unique ability in that its effectiveness is totally dependent on the environment; the whole point of the shift in focus to Call Beast was to get away from this, and I for one think it was a good call. You CANNOT make Charm more effective without making everyone else's lives worse.



EDIT: Of course, there's another issue at work here, one which you guys REALLY probably won't want to hear. :/ If, say, Charm were really good in Voidwatch, why would I go as BST when I could go as, say, RNG/BST and have all the advantages of being a RNG on top of being nearly as pet-effective as a BST main?

Now that I think about it, with Decoy Shot, it's too bad RNG can't use Magian axes.

[Xilk]

I have no problem w/ /bst as it is for any one who wants to use it. Even if they made the zone actually have something charmable and worthwhile.

[scaevola]

Even if there's a strong argument to be made that if Charm were competitive with Call Beast in endgame, nearly anything /BST would be superior to BST main (barring Familiaring an IT, of course)?

[Visari]

I have always enjoyed /bst. Its one of the perks to having bst leveled. Lets face it though, people are not going to /bst if they do not like the job. The ability to do so has been around forever and still most folks didn't do it because they don't like the job in the first place.

[Calamity]

Even if there's a strong argument to be made that if Charm were competitive with Call Beast in endgame, nearly anything /BST would be superior to BST main (barring Familiaring an IT, of course)?

Because as we all know trying to charm a level 90ish mob at level 47 works so well *rolls eyes*

[Visari]

Actually charm's potency is based off of your main job beastmaster level, not the level it is set as as a support job, nor the level of your current main job. So for it to work properly as a sub you need to have bst capped.

[scaevola]

Woah, you mean I'd have to level a job to 95???

How ever would I manage that!

Because as we all know trying to charm a level 90ish mob at level 47 works so well *rolls eyes*

lol

Lets face it though, people are not going to /bst if they do not like the job.

uh

I guess all those people are just playing WAR, MNK, and WHM because they really love the jobs and not because they are mathematically superior options due to abilities with which there exists no way for other jobs to compete.

The ability to do so has been around forever and still most folks didn't do it because they don't like the job in the first place.

No, most folks didn't do it because if you didn't like leveling solo, Charm was not valuable enough to justify taking Yet Another Job to 75 simply to use as a sub for content for which it honestly became pretty redundant around the Signet Def/Eva buff in.....early 2006, was it?

[Calamity]

Actually charm's potency is based off of your main job beastmaster level, not the level it is set as as a support job, nor the level of your current main job. So for it to work properly as a sub you need to have bst capped.

Ah, right you are. Sorry, I never experimented all that much with bst as a sub, so I didn't really research it overly much. thank you for correcting me

[Visari]

First of all don't be loling someone for not knowing the in and outs of bst. It is obvious you don't know enough yourself.

Oh, then I must be mistaken, and BST could charm stuff in Assaults, Limbus, Dynamis, KSNMs, sea, meaningful areas in sky, and so forth*, and did not have to rely on relatively weak jug pets. Also, I must have dreamed the hundreds of threads on literally every FFXI site out there started by BSTs complaining about how bad BST was in endgame events. Thanks for clearing that up!

Do not just take one bst in your party of whatever your doing as useless. Its obvious you have never been in an all bst (ls) ally or party running through namis, assault, nyzul, inner sky, sea, einherjar or anything else. Even with the jugs back then we were formidable. It is not my fault you have never got to witness that. You can chalk that up to your inability to even imagine us doing something like that as whole.

[scaevola]

It is really, REALLY messed up for you to consider my unwillingness to drop 100+ hours to level a job that all evidence suggested would not provide me with any real benefit some sort of failing of character. Seriously, do you realize how insane that sounds?

First of all don't be loling someone for not knowing the in and outs of bst. It is obvious you don't know enough yourself.

I will lol when they roll eyes over something they're wrong about.

Meanwhile, nobody has been able to point out anything I've said as being wrong. You're just taking personal offense at me not wanting to invest time in leveling a job I had no reason to level.

Do not just take one bst in your party of whatever your doing as useless. Its obvious you have never been in an all bst (ls) ally or party running through namis, assault, nyzul, inner sky, sea, einherjar or anything else.

So, BST was fine with jug pets only being as powerful as they were at 75?